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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    aha, that's a new one for me
    That journalists make stuff up and fabricate stories based on half truths and blatant lies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    No matter what happens you will be left with half a country alienated because you have a crisis with your grand narrative.

    How does the country come together and get on its feet again ?
    D E and there in lies the problem , its like Trump said drain the swamp and the way the eu elections went in the uk Farage has shown how the electorate feel , Scotland wants independance as was shown but if we go to a ge the brexit party is gonna produce a massive upset to our carreer politicos and the norm establishment of treacherous liars , the pigs in troughs better eat as much as they can because their cushy paying gigs are coming to an end .imo
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    I notice how the establishment concentrates on Farage and his funding and yet nothing was said about Change UK....I guess they're not the threat though...We all know Labour party funding comes from coerced union money and the Tories money comes from the likes of Laird Ashcroft ...but thats OK somehow.

    Apparently Change UK spent a small fortune on FB ads and it was a complete waste. More than the Brexit party at one point ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    D E and there in lies the problem , its like Trump said drain the swamp and the way the eu elections went in the uk Farage has shown how the electorate feel , Scotland wants independance as was shown but if we go to a ge the brexit party is gonna produce a massive upset to our carreer politicos and the norm establishment of treacherous liars , the pigs in troughs better eat as much as they can because their cushy paying gigs are coming to an end .imo
    You're talking about what you want and hoping to get it. What about the other camp.

    How do you integrate them back assuming your side wins ?

    Increasingly, the best option looks like ensuring neither side wins and draw this out over time. Kick the can down the road.

    Now Farage talks big once he gets into the big seat, he starts to hem & hmm and then drags his feet like May
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyr View Post
    That journalists make stuff up and fabricate stories based on half truths and blatant lies?
    How do you pull that off in the era of social media ?

    It would get called out quick and word would spread.

    Course the opposite is also true, it validates further what people want to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    You're talking about what you want and hoping to get it. What about the other camp.

    How do you integrate them back assuming your side wins ?

    Increasingly, the best option looks like ensuring neither side wins and draw this out over time. Kick the can down the road.

    Now Farage talks big once he gets into the big seat, he starts to hem & hmm and then drags his feet like May
    I want what we voted for , out of the eu as promised by camoron , deals were not mentioned on the ballot paper , democracy is being killed by the few , if has had been promised we left none of this would be relevant , the leave vote won the remain didnt . Unlucky better luck next time and if the remoaners love the eu that much well im sure Germany will take them in .Kato will welcome them with open arms ,, or will he .and the plot thickens , hey DE if the losers cant accept the democratic vote and live by it then like i say europes a big.place ,, bigger than little England anyhoo .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    How do you pull that off in the era of social media ?

    It would get called out quick and word would spread.

    Course the opposite is also true, it validates further what people want to believe.
    Maybe you should do some research on Political 'Psychological operations' during election periods....where certain audiences are targeted to steer the debate in order to gain political advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyr View Post
    Maybe you should do some research on Political 'Psychological operations' during election periods....where certain audiences are targeted to steer the debate in order to gain political advantage.
    Oh! you're referring to fake news ops the Russians did in numerous countries.

    Wasn't familiar with the Phishing term you used in this regard. I'm used to that term being used in a two way fashion. Some one send you a communication with the intent to extract something valuable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    I want what we voted for , out of the eu as promised by camoron , deals were not mentioned on the ballot paper , democracy is being killed by the few , if has had been promised we left none of this would be relevant , the leave vote won the remain didnt . Unlucky better luck next time and if the remoaners love the eu that much well im sure Germany will take them in .Kato will welcome them with open arms ,, or will he .and the plot thickens , hey DE if the losers cant accept the democratic vote and live by it then like i say europes a big.place ,, bigger than little England anyhoo .
    Fine, so leave wins. Next question. On what terms..

    Were you satisfied with the deal May got ? Didn't seem like you were. If not, why not.

    This is where it all goes pear shaped. For some no deal is ever good enough. Leave them out. Hard line Brexiteers are no better than remainers.

    The remainder want to leave but remain to be convinced.

    How many times more can they try to get a better deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Oh! you're referring to fake news ops the Russians did in numerous countries.

    Wasn't familiar with the Phishing term you used in this regard.
    That was meant to be humorous...lol..Not just Russia though all of them ..there are various Private ( although obviously they are not) companies steering elections using various means in different countries. SCL group being one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Fine, so leave wins. Next question. On what terms..

    Were you satisfied with the deal May got ? Didn't seem like you were. If not, why not.

    This is where it all goes pear shaped. For some no deal is ever good enough. Leave them out. Hard line Brexiteers are no better than remainers.

    The remainder want to leave but remain to be convinced.

    How many times more can they try to get a better deal.
    This is where Steve Bannon understands the working population better than any politician.... They want industries to return which is why China needs to be controlled with tarifs. The pendulum needs to swing the other way now. The EU have been useless at protecting the common man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Fine, so leave wins. Next question. On what terms..

    Were you satisfied with the deal May got ? Didn't seem like you were. If not, why not.

    This is where it all goes pear shaped. For some no deal is ever good enough. Leave them out. Hard line Brexiteers are no better than remainers.

    The remainder want to leave but remain to be convinced.

    How many times more can they try to get a better deal.
    You dont read do ya , the choice we were given was in or out a deal wasnt mentioned Camoron stated if out its out of everything and that meant W T O . When we put our x on leave it never said now go to page 2 and vote on what deal you would like !!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    You dont read do ya , the choice we were given was in or out a deal wasnt mentioned Camoron stated if out its out of everything and that meant W T O . When we put our x on leave it never said now go to page 2 and vote on what deal you would like !!!!
    And there was two years after to work something out.

    May got a deal. That deal was rejected. Why ?

    Not good enough ergo ipso fatso, need a better deal

    How likely is that ?
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    [QUOTE=Double Edge;1051249]And there was two years after to work something out.

    May got a deal. That deal was rejected. Why ?

    Not good enough ergo ipso fatso, need a better deal

    How likely is that ?[/QUOT

    Merkel n the eu worked out her deal and it effectively kept us in the eu ,, out in name only , but once again we never voted for a deal , May the slimey bastard was never a leaver she campaigned to stay in .....Her " deal" has been kicked in the long grass 3 times and the eu has stated the withdrawal deal is non neg , of course it isnt as it guves them everything and we get sfa .....
    but of course ,, you know all this .
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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    Merkel n the eu worked out her deal and it effectively kept us in the eu ,, out in name only , but once again we never voted for a deal , May the slimey bastard was never a leaver she campaigned to stay in .....Her " deal" has been kicked in the long grass 3 times and the eu has stated the withdrawal deal is non neg , of course it isnt as it guves them everything and we get sfa .....
    but of course ,, you know all this .
    No, i was not aware that the deal was out in name only. I thought it was out as in really out but the terms were bad. That is what little i could get out of your rambunctious media.

    You say you never voted for a deal. How do you expect to leave without one ?

    Go cold turkey...

    To do that would effectively reduce the UK to a non-european entity with everything having to be worked out from scratch like say India would have to do to get a FTA with the EU. And we were at it for 5 years with nothing to show for in the end. The Saudis took three years longer and got no further either. And get this neither of these two countries were integrated into the EU to the extent that your country is. So there would be a massive dislocation in your case.

    Out in name only could imply a half way house and with time a full out becomes feasible. But whatever May worked out was conclusively trounced in the house of commons. Two years of work into the bin.

    You charge the present status goes against the mandate of the vote. Well, whatever was worked out was not good enough. Whether that means people are having second thoughts or better is possible is what i want to know. As things stand you are still at square one after two years of hot air.

    Status quo still holds and given what's happened i'm wondering whether that is the best plan.
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