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    So far as I can work out the a. the British Government have now lost control of any 'leave' deal and b. supposing that an extension is sought (by the vote tomorrow) the UK as a whole will have lost any control over the process. The sole option that would remain in the power of the HoC is to revoke the Article 50 declaration. So as far as 'taking power back', the stated desire of the Brexit crowd, it now appears they have significantly surrendered power over how any 'leave' may work to precisely those whom they wish to be separated from. This is due in part to the so called 'ERG' group of Tory Brexiteers, the Irish DUP and the idiocy of the (not so) loyal Opposition all of which have voted against the Government's 'deal'.

    The Motion today is; "That this House declines to approve leaving the European Union without a Withdrawal Agreement and a Framework for the Future Relationship on 29 March 2019; and notes that leaving without a deal remains the default in UK and EU law unless this House and the EU ratify an agreement." However while the Government is allowing a 'free vote' to Tory MPs on this it is apparently whipping it's MPs to an amendment which says that leaving with a 'no deal' remains the bottom line. It thus looks like to be all things to all and in the meantime is a perfectly self contradictory position.

    There have now been two votes in Parliament on the 'deal' - neither of which have been approved - and the papers suggest the 'deal' may again be put to the House. How many times will this happen and how is it 'democratic' to allow this repeating of voting in the house while denying the 'democratic value' of second public vote on the deal?




    Live debate here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Why in hell was article 50 invoked. They could have taken all the time they wanted and got the deal both sides could live with without any time pressure.
    Nah, they couldn't - and yes, they tried. Article 50 prescribes that negotiations on the withdrawal agreement may not start before it is invoked.

    The withdrawal agreement is - by the EU treaty - really only meant to set out a date on which treaties will cease to apply. Could be in a year, could be in five years, could only apply to certain treaties of contestion - but it'd set definitive deadlines. That time can then be used to negotiate a future relationship agreement (on customs etc) for the time afterwards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    That means they've got 6 weeks to 3 months which is very short. Why are the Euros going to make any more concessions. Is it even remotely feasible they can get a better deal
    By now any extension would only serve to give the UK more time to prepare for crashing out hard.
    Last edited by kato; 13 Mar 19, at 19:20.

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    Sir Ivan Rogers, former British head diplomat to the EU, on Brexit:



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