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    Britons would now vote to stay in EU, want second referendum: poll

    LONDON (Reuters) - More Britons want to remain a member of the European Union than leave, according to a survey published on Sunday which also showed voters want to make the final decision themselves.

    Britain is due leave the EU on March 29, but Prime Minister Theresa May is struggling to get her exit deal approved by parliament, opening up huge uncertainty over whether a deal is possible, or even whether the country will leave at all.

    The survey by polling firm YouGov showed that if a referendum were held immediately, 46 percent would vote to remain, 39 percent would vote to leave, and the rest either did not know, would not vote, or refused to answer the question.

    When the undecided and those who refused to answer were removed from the sample, the split was 54-46 in favor of remaining.

    That is broadly in line with other polls in recent months which show a deeply divided electorate, in which opinion has swung towards remaining in the EU. The 2016 referendum voted 52 to 48 percent in favor of leaving.

    The poll of more than 25,000 voters was commissioned by the People's Vote campaign, which is spearheading an increasingly vocal push for a second referendum on Brexit.

    On Sunday, May reiterated her opposition to holding a second referendum, saying it would be divisive and disrespectful to those who voted to leave in the initial vote, and also highlighted a lack of time available to hold a new referendum.

    But, the survey showed 41 percent thought the final decision about Brexit should be made by a new public vote versus 36 percent who believe it should be up to parliament. Removing those who are undecided, the split was 53 percent in favor of another referendum and 47 percent against.

    Lawmakers are due to vote on whether to accept May's exit deal in the week beginning Jan. 14.
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    The 2016 referendum voted 52 to 48 percent in favor of leaving.
    But, the survey showed 41 percent thought the final decision about Brexit should be made by a new public vote versus 36 percent who believe it should be up to parliament. Removing those who are undecided, the split was 53 percent in favor of another referendum and 47 percent against.
    That is why they should remain. This process of voting is flawed to begin with. This is exactly the same as the last with the opposite result.

    Meaning unless there is a suitable margin to leave then remain.

    This whole exercise was pointless to begin with as it will amount to nothing.
    Last edited by Double Edge; 06 Jan 19, at 23:06.

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    And what if the second referendum also says leave? You keep having them till you get the result you want? Or if you have one referendum saying leave and one saying remain, should you do a best of three? That is not how referendums work.

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    I am not sure why you see things that way. It is pretty obvious that any vote represents the views of people at that precise time only. It is like a photograph of opinion. But a person may be smiling in a photo one day and cry the next. The fact that there were so many lies said by the leave campaign (just like Trumpkin and his 'Mexico will pay for the wall' BS) and that the funding of it is now a matter of criminal investigation is sufficient cause to raise questions about the authenticity of the first photograph necessitating the need for a second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firestorm View Post
    And what if the second referendum also says leave? You keep having them till you get the result you want? Or if you have one referendum saying leave and one saying remain, should you do a best of three? That is not how referendums work.
    Are you pretending the second referendum is about the same topic? Mrs. May is a liar, like the movement she loves so much, and she's pretending the deal she wishes every Briton would patriotically and gleefully swallow now is the same as what the Brexit promised a few moons ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatboy View Post
    she's pretending the deal she wishes every Briton would patriotically and gleefully swallow now is the same as what the Brexit promised a few moons ago.
    What was "the Brexit promised a few moons ago"?

    That the UK rules over Europe, continueing to enforce its "Britain First" policies upon eight times as many people on the continent like the last 40 years as some Albionista keep suggesting? Because, uh, that's not what Brexit is about. Brexit is about the British population deciding to abandon exactly that possibility by leaving the civilized world and resigning itself to a North-Korea-esque dungeon pit. "The deal" is May trying to carve out benefits from that situation going as far as she can without sparking a civil war in her country.

    And on the continent we see that statement there without any hyperbole or sarcasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    What was "the Brexit promised a few moons ago"?
    That doesn't matter. What matters now is that a massive chunk of pro-Brexit British voters decided to reverse their position on Brexit -- should another vote be held again.

    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    That the UK rules over Europe, continueing to enforce its "Britain First" policies upon eight times as many people on the continent like the last 40 years as some Albionista keep suggesting? Because, uh, that's not what Brexit is about. Brexit is about the British population deciding to abandon exactly that possibility by leaving the civilized world and resigning itself to a North-Korea-esque dungeon pit. "The deal" is May trying to carve out benefits from that situation going as far as she can without sparking a civil war in her country.

    For you Brexit is about what you said Brexit is about, but for many others it's not about North Korea, or civil war, or dungeons.
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    Important vote this Tuesday. Don't muck it up. Go with May's deal.

    The Euro's are in no mood to handle domestic UK affairs. They have to keep the Euro project going, counter the far right, deal with general weakness in France & Germany. Already the Americans are acting up and now the Brits with this Brexit crap.
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    Brexshit

    Vote for Mays the traitors deal and stop in the EU , or vote against it and stop in the EU .

    Choices choices but will we the electorate remember this ET
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    This charade is playing out like I said it would months ago , democracy is dead and i only wish the whole corrupt establishment was dead along with it .


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    I believe this is the appropriate sentiment of the moment for those wanting to leave



    And the world let out a loud groan as this British circus will still continue....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Brexit is about the British population deciding to abandon exactly that possibility by leaving the civilized world and resigning itself to a North-Korea-esque dungeon pit.
    Wait what? Leaving the EU is akin to leaving the civilized world? My god the arrogance is unbelievable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    This charade is playing out like I said it would months ago , democracy is dead and i only wish the whole corrupt establishment was dead along with it .
    Can be cynical or even conspiratorial about it.

    May comes up with a bum deal.

    Tells people there is no choice.

    People reject it.

    This then can be interpreted as a vote to remain ?

    Because the window for any more negotiation has closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Can be cynical or even conspiratorial about it.

    May comes up with a bum deal.

    Tells people there is no choice.

    People reject it.

    This then can be interpreted as a vote to remain ?

    Because the window for any more negotiation has closed.
    Which is what i said a while ago .


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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    Which is what i said a while ago .
    Well now your champion JRM or even Boris can claim the hot seat and get the amazing deal everyone has been clamoring for
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    There never was an "amazing deal"; just lies. Nor frankly in the current HoC could you get the salt and pepper passed.

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