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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    My small phone says Theresa May wins the confidence vote. 200 for her, 117 against.
    She has, now what?

    Why was there even a vote of confidence to begin with. If she lost what could her successor do different ? nothing right

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    Ahhh bless Sarah, my delusions are shared with millions of others but there again , your a would be politician so its only your opinions that count eh .ttfn


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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    My small phone says Theresa May wins the confidence vote. 200 for her, 117 against.
    Sarah .Thats only within her own party not the full house ! She has been damaged badly and her deal which she pulled at the 11th hour will still fail in January , nothings changed except an extension of her job ,oink oink , she is making cor.bin look electable


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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    The Irish know fine well their place and aint stupid also 1 billion up , and the backstop bs is an eu ploy , a hard border my arse there are 298 poss crossings on the border now , even if there were manned points at everyone of them the Irish who know fine well their country can and will avoid any manned border point , backstop my arse and May has proven yet again what a useless lying pos she and most of her party are ,remainers they are and always were , she got the shitty end of the stick when she took over as pm and was never ever up to the job , how she is still in power is beyond belief , but god forbid el al IRA cor.bin gets in , sack her asap and let Mogg or Boris take over , after watching yesterday her snivelling climb down from the vote which an hour earlier was deffo going ahead made me feel ill and ashamed as the rest of the world watching this shambollick pos squirming and lying just to save her job makes us look the shower the uk govt is ,, camoronoccio knew what he was doing when he bailed out so not to face the incoming storm , a new referendum is a no no a general election imo is not on , a new leader or no deal is the option which would be the best imho , 2 years of bs bollox and now desperation fro May , a Thatcher or Churchill she aint , i said over a year ago that the cards were stacked and the pm would strive to keep us in this corrupt union , macron is now on very thin ice and the whole house if cards is gonna crumble .Democracy by May is being replaced with dictatorship but the bitch wont get away with it , she n the remainer tories are fi ished
    It's getting a but hard to read without any, you know, punctuation.

    How is the hard border backstop a BS EU ploy when it is enshrined in the GF Agreement? Also, if the Irish somehow manage to prevent any manned border, then the whole point of your Brexit Exercise vanishes, does it not? What next? A Border in the Sea? Microchipping people? Forcing the Irish to leave the EU?
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    Sarah .Thats only within her own party not the full house ! She has been damaged badly and her deal which she pulled at the 11th hour will still fail in January , nothings changed except an extension of her job ,oink oink , she is making cor.bin look electable
    Deadline is march end. If the deal fails life will become difficult very quickly after.
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    Her deal is dead now . Thats why she ran off to try n get a renegotiation , which she found out there wont be one , her deal is as much use as tits on fish ceding everything to the eu and nothing for the uk , as for bliars gf deal im wondering when uk soldiers are gonna be stopped being prosecuted for doing a job the govt sent them to do while rolling over while paddies go free , give ireland back end of problem no more leverage for the eu , while at it give the falklands over to the argies as well and lets stop sending over 12 billion a year to 3rd world countries and approx 350 mill per week to the likes of john claude drunker and look after our own .The eu is a house of cards and the.likes of Greece Spain etc are the living proof , now you can argue or " debate " all you like but the fact is we wont change a damn thing as the political class will blunder on blindly regardless making us lot moot , 2 years ago our gggggggrrrrrr888 leader camoron;occio stated ref leaving the eu , its the peoples decision not the politicians , your decision yours alone not ours and we will implement what you decide , lol , and on the ballet paper it clearly said leave or stay ,, not , if you vore leave turn to page 2 and lets have anoter vote , just like Mays no confidence win in her own party ,,, lets have another vote until we get the right answer ,, like i said the only good politicians should look like mussolini did , the only good person to enter parliament with honest intentions was guy fawlkes , ttfn but no doubt there will be more bollox argument on this brexit issue which we cant influence one way or another except to point out unlistened to opinions..

    PS found this which sums it up

    From: Richard Knocker (Ex-pilot in the Gulf wars)

    OK so weíve had the worst-case scenario for leaving the EU given to us by numerous outlets ranging from the Bank of England to the spoiled prepubescent acting momentum supporter and everyone in-between.
    So, I am now going to tell you the worst-case scenario of remaining in the EU based on actual known factors and figures, sourced from the public records of the UK Government, the EU Parliament, The Bank of England, the CBI, Migration watch, The Stock exchanges around the world, the IMF, and the UN.
    So those of you who think that this little rant is a tin foil hat moment by myself think again and go and fully research and cross reference what I am about to tell you and remember this is worst-case scenario that could happen unless I clearly point out where it will happen by either a date or other factor.

    KNOWN OUTCOMES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN AGREED AS TRUE BY ALL SIDES:

    1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or vetoís being allowed.
    2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or vetoís.
    3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
    4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen the move is fully cancelled but if not and the UK remains a member itís full steam ahead for the move.
    5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
    6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
    7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
    8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
    9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
    10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
    11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
    12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
    13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
    14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
    15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
    16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
    17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealth
    18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.; Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar ect
    19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
    20: The UK loses control of its international policy
    21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
    22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
    23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
    24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
    25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
    26: The UKís contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020

    PROBABLE WORST-CASE OUTCOMES

    1: The UK will become nothing more than a vassal protectorate state
    2: With the continuation of freedom of movement, the population of the UK will continue to grow at a rate higher than pre-referendum level ranging between 400,000 to 675,000 per annum.
    2.1; Which will result in not just wage suppression but even wage depression.
    2.2; More than 500,000 new homes to be built annually (We are currently only managing 125,000)
    2.3; House prices and rents will skyrocket annually by 23%
    2.4; Class sizes in schools would have to increase by 50% if not even double
    2.5; The NHS will become solely an emergency service of care provider as they would no longer be able to cope with the numbers of people needing care other than those of emergency.
    2.6; GPís will become triage centres
    2.7; Public transport will become permit holders use only
    2.8; Only those that did a serious crime namely murder will be given a custodial sentence
    2.9; The Court system becomes fully overrun to the point extreme cases only being heard and the rest being given an automatic fine
    2.10; Emergency services collapsing for not being able to cope with the scale of things
    2.11; Social care becoming solely private social care for those who can afford it.
    2.12; Homelessness to increase by over 28% annually
    2.13; Unemployment to increase annually by 37%
    2.14; The Benefit system to collapse fully to the point of the return of soup kitchens and even workhouse existence
    2.15; Crime to increase by over 59% annually
    2.16; Shanty towns to become the norm standard of housing
    3: Because the UK would no longer be able to make its own trade deals, nor control its tariffs or quotas, Food prices would increase by over 25% and the cost of living would go up by over 39%
    4: Because the UK would lose its oil and gas rights it would also lose the revenue from taxation on them, resulting in a loss of over 600 billion per year in taxation revenue
    5: Because the UK will become a member state its percentage share of the vote on any new laws, regulations, treaties and everything else is at current member numbers 3.57% of the vote. Thatís right folks the UK say in the EU if it was to remain a member is 3.57% total
    Everything I have put thus far is just the very extreme tip of the iceberg that is ready to sink the UK if we remain a member of the EU.
    Everything is verifiable by the sources I have already outlined above and is something the EU propaganda machine as well as our very own government are not telling you.
    Remainers keep on bleating about that the people didnít know all of the facts
    If thatís the case then why are they failing to tell the people the downside or remaining a member of the EU.
    ASK YOURSELVES THAT FACT AND FIND OUT THE TRUE HARD FACTS FOR YOURSELF

    Enjoy
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    A politician i can agree with .

    Former Australian PM Tony Abbott...

    "It’s pretty hard for Britain’s friends, here in Australia, to make sense of the mess that’s being made of Brexit. The referendum result was perhaps the biggest-ever vote of confidence in the United Kingdom, its past and its future. But the British establishment doesn’t seem to share that confidence and instead looks desperate to cut a deal, even if that means staying under the rule of Brussels. Looking at this from abroad, it’s baffling: the country that did the most to bring democracy into the modern world might yet throw away the chance to take charge of its own destiny.

    Let’s get one thing straight: a negotiation that you’re not prepared to walk away from is not a negotiation — it’s surrender. It’s all give and no get. When David Cameron tried to renegotiate Britain’s EU membership, he was sent packing because Brussels judged (rightly) that he’d never actually back leaving. And since then, Brussels has made no real concessions to Theresa May because it judges (rightly, it seems) that she’s desperate for whatever deal she can get.

    The EU’s palpable desire to punish Britain for leaving vindicates the Brexit project. Its position, now, is that there’s only one ‘deal’ on offer, whereby the UK retains all of the burdens of EU membership but with no say in setting the rules. The EU seems to think that Britain will go along with this because it’s terrified of no deal. Or, to put it another way, terrified of the prospect of its own independence.

    But even after two years of fearmongering and vacillation, it’s not too late for robust leadership to deliver the Brexit that people voted for. It’s time for Britain to announce what it will do if the EU can’t make an acceptable offer by March 29 next year — and how it would handle no deal. Freed from EU rules, Britain would automatically revert to world trade, using rules agreed by the World Trade Organization. It works pretty well for Australia. So why on earth would it not work just as well for the world’s fifth-largest economy?

    A world trade Brexit lets Britain set its own rules. It can say, right now, that it will not impose any tariff or quota on European produce and would recognise all EU product standards. That means no border controls for goods coming from Europe to Britain. You don’t need to negotiate this: just do it. If Europe knows what’s in its own best interests, it would fully reciprocate in order to maintain entirely free trade and full mutual recognition of standards right across Europe.

    Next, the UK should declare that Europeans already living here should have the right to remain permanently — and, of course, become British citizens if they wish. This should be a unilateral offer. Again, you don’t need a deal. You don’t need Michel Barnier’s permission. If Europe knows what’s best for itself, it would likewise allow Britons to stay where they are.

    Third, there should continue to be free movement of people from Europe into Britain — but with a few conditions. Only for work, not welfare. And with a foreign worker’s tax on the employer, to make sure anyone coming in would not be displacing British workers.

    Fourth, no ‘divorce bill’ whatsoever should be paid to Brussels. The UK government would assume the EU’s property and liabilities in Britain, and the EU would assume Britain’s share of these in Europe. If Britain was getting its fair share, these would balance out; and if Britain wasn’t getting its fair share, it’s the EU that should be paying Britain.

    Finally, there’s no need on Britain’s part for a hard border with Ireland. Britain wouldn’t be imposing tariffs on European goods, so there’s no money to collect. The UK has exactly the same product standards as the Republic, so let’s not pretend you need to check for problems we all know don’t exist. Some changes may be needed but technology allows for smart borders: there was never any need for a Cold War-style Checkpoint Charlie. Irish citizens, of course, have the right to live and work in the UK in an agreement that long predates EU membership.

    Of course, the EU might not like this British leap for independence. It might hit out with tariffs and impose burdens on Britain as it does on the US — but WTO rules put a cap on any retaliatory action. The worst it can get? We’re talking levies of an average 4 or 5 per cent. Which would be more than offset by a post-Brexit devaluation of the pound (which would have the added bonus of making British goods more competitive everywhere).

    UK officialdom assumes that a deal is vital, which is why so little thought has been put into how Britain might just walk away. Instead, officials have concocted lurid scenarios featuring runs on the pound, gridlock at ports, grounded aircraft, hoarding of medicines and flights of investment. It’s been the pre-referendum Project Fear campaign on steroids. And let’s not forget how employment, investment and economic growth ticked up after the referendum.

    As a former prime minister of Australia and a lifelong friend of your country, I would say this: Britain has nothing to lose except the shackles that the EU imposes on it. After the courage shown by its citizens in the referendum, it would be a tragedy if political leaders go wobbly now. Britain’s future has always been global, rather than just with Europe. Like so many of Britain’s admirers, I want to see this great country seize this chance and make the most of it."

    Tony Abbott served as Prime Minister of Australia from 2013 to 2015


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    Tonny Abbot is right

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