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  • Originally posted by zara View Post
    Its the G-mex you spanner! The tram stop is behind it. Dont you live in Manchester?
    Its called Manchester Central Convention Complex...central as in central railway station numb nut.....Not the shiniest tool in the box are we?

    Its right next to the worlds first railway hotel...which is just a slight give away....dont get me goin on local history flower
    Last edited by Toby; 05 Oct 17,, 10:43.

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    • Originally posted by Toby View Post
      Its called Manchester Central Convention Complex...central as in central railway station numb nut.....Not the shiniest tool in the box are we?

      Its right next to the worlds first railway hotel...which is just a slight give away....dont get me goin on local history flower
      My lord you are a knuckle dragging knumbskull aren't you?

      Are you really that pedantic? It may have been a station once, but now it's a venue for gigs, conferences.. comiccon.. stuff like that..

      What are you saying, that I imagined the band's there? Do you never go into the city? Everyone knows that

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      • Originally posted by zara View Post
        My lord you are a knuckle dragging knumbskull aren't you?

        Are you really that pedantic? It may have been a station once, but now it's a venue for gigs, conferences.. comiccon.. stuff like that..

        What are you saying, that I imagined the band's there? Do you never go into the city? Everyone knows that
        I could pull your strings all day long but I cant be arsed...

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        • Originally posted by zara View Post
          My lord you are a knuckle dragging knumbskull aren't you?

          Are you really that pedantic? It may have been a station once, but now it's a venue for gigs, conferences.. comiccon.. stuff like that..

          What are you saying, that I imagined the band's there? Do you never go into the city? Everyone knows that
          I was out on a bike ride going up another hill..when it occurred to me that you had contradicted yourself in the space of two sentences. I thought it wise to inform you of your error, as words and their meaning do matter

          knuckle dragging knumbskull which means - Holding beliefs, or having attitudes thought to be primitive or uncivilised. Stupid in other words

          Then you used the word

          Pedantic which means -overscrupulous, scrupulous, precise, exact, over-exacting, perfectionist, precisionist, punctilious, meticulous, fussy, fastidious, finical, finicky

          So you basically said I'm a 'primitive perfectionist'.....does such a thing exist???

          ;-)

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          • Think you missed a definition of "knuckle dragging".

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            • Originally posted by snapper View Post
              Think you missed a definition of "knuckle dragging".
              In the Oxford dictionary 'Knuckle dagger' is used which means -A stupid or loutish man. So I've already in corporated that definition.

              if you know any others feel free

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              • Denmark dismisses EU’s wrangling over Brexit divorce bill as 'a game'

                Danish finance minister boosts UK’s hopes of securing a Brexit trade deal, saying a swift political compromise is required

                Downing Street’s hopes of opening Brexit talks on a future trade deal have been given a boost by Denmark, whose finance minister dismissed the EU’s wrangling over the UK’s divorce bill as “a game” that requires swift political compromise.

                Kristian Jensen told the Guardian he believed both sides should be ready to move the talks on following the concessions made in Theresa May’s speech in Florence last month.

                Jensen said: “In any political negotiations, there is not enough time, not enough money, not enough this, not enough that. This is part of the game. Because what we are dealing with here is not rocket science. We are not speaking about putting a man on Mars or solving the problem of CO2 emissions.

                “We are now on the same page … In my view it is rather important we get into a more close and more speedy process on concluding some of the issues.”

                The fifth round of the Brexit negotiations start on Monday and Germany and France are among the member states who still want to continue to restrict the scope of the negotiations until more firm guarantees on money are made by the British. But the UK is hoping other member states will want to be more flexible after May offered to pay €20bn to ensure no member state loses out in the two years after May 2019.

                On Tuesday, the EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, told the European parliament he was holding out for the UK to agree to honour all its past financial commitments, “no more, no less”. The EU is insisting that until “sufficient progress” is made on that issue, along with citizens’ rights and the Irish border, it will not open up talks about the future, something the European commission had originally planned to happen at a summit in Brussels on 19 October.

                A meeting of EU ambassadors on Friday was split on how best to encourage the EU to make further commitments on the financial settlement, however. One suggestion, which did not command majority support, was that at the European council summit, the EU would offer to discuss between themselves how a future trade relationship would work or open “scoping” discussions about a transition period, in an attempt to encourage Britain to be more forthcoming.

                Representatives of the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and the French president, Emmanuel Macron, led a group of member states stridently opposed to showing such flexibility.

                Jensen, whose country would be affected more than most by a trade barrier between the UK and the EU, said the bloc would nevertheless have to compromise. “We are talking about a political agreement between two parties,” he said. “If there is one thing politicians are good at doing it is making an agreement, if the political will is there.

                “This will never be a 100% win for one side or the other side. This will be a political compromise.”


                Denmark, a longtime ally of the UK within the EU, had until recently taken a strong line on Brexit and the importance of retaining the integrity of the single market despite its strong trade links with Britain. This year Jensen was the subject of a public rebuke by the British ambassador to Denmark, Dominic Schroeder, after he said of Brexit: “There are small nations and there are countries that have not yet realised they are small nations.”

                Yet, while careful not to criticise Barnier, whose negotiating mandate was set in April by the 27 other EU member states, Jensen told the Guardian that both parties in the negotiation needed to up the pace of their talks. “The UK is a great trading partner of EU27, a strong ally in defence and security, so we need to find out how we can have a good and close relationship post-Brexit,” he said.

                “We are negotiating together with the rest of EU27 so I wouldn’t put forward a specific Danish position on this. Just underlining that it is important that both sides are ready and able to move on. Because otherwise we get into an endgame where things are very precious on time and therefore a greater risk of making decisions that are not welcome.”

                Jensen said the prime minister’s promise in Florence to honour commitments to the EU budget for two years after Brexit, and to make further payments for security and development aid, amounted to a step change that should be reciprocated. “This is not just a matter of bookkeepers trying to make up the score. It is also a negotiation over the coming way to work together,” Jensen said.

                He added: “I think it is in our interest to have a transition period. We will find common ground on that. The difficult part will be the length of the transition period, what are the issues of cooperation afterwards, and that’s why it is important we keep momentum in the negotiations, and both sides are ready and able to negotiate fast.”

                The Danish minister, who is tipped as a future prime minister, was one of a number of key politicians Davis met last month, including senior figures in the Dutch and Belgian governments and MEPs from the largest group in the European parliament, the European People’s party, representing constituencies in Spain, Germany and Ireland.
                Last edited by Toby; 08 Oct 17,, 18:30.

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                • Originally posted by Toby View Post
                  MEPs from the largest group in the European parliament, the European People’s party
                  Which, gee, just completely voted along with 80% of the parliament to not move forward to the next stage of negotiations until the UK fills the three now well-known prerequisites. The same resolution that the Tories just suspended two of their own MEPs over for backing the European side.

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                  • Originally posted by kato View Post

                    in 1986 in particular opting for off-the-shelf Boeing E3 instead of Nimrod AEW3.
                    http://www.spyflight.co.uk/nim%20aew.htm When they killed the Nimrod AEW there was one at NAS Moffet. ESL (Astral Box?) was a contractor as well as E Systems.. The Nimrod was smaller and lacked the electrical system of the E-3 and they never really solved the cooling issues.

                    Originally posted by kato View Post
                    Realistically it's the utterly ridiculous story of how BAE Systems as virtually the only defence company still existant on the islands came to be. By willfully destroying all competitors and then letting a single company pick up the pieces. Only for that company to then split it all out once a Labour government came to be.
                    Doesn't BAE have a larger presence than it does in the UK

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                    • Originally posted by kato View Post
                      Which, gee, just completely voted along with 80% of the parliament to not move forward to the next stage of negotiations until the UK fills the three now well-known prerequisites. The same resolution that the Tories just suspended two of their own MEPs over for backing the European side.

                      Im not sure how the UK can make progress on the Irish border without discussing the future tradeing agreement... seems like a chicken and egg scenario..

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                      • Isn't that bog standard project planning?

                        Where are we now?
                        Where do we want to be?
                        Which steps do we need to realize to get there?


                        The first one is relatively clear (okay, not that clear to everyone apparently, but still relatively clear). The second one is where we are now. Defining what we want it to look like. With constraints set out by all stakeholders. After that we can talk about how we accomodate that to-be-declared design in any future plans...

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                        • Where are we now?

                          No border, free trade, free movement

                          Where do we want to be?

                          No border, free trade, free movement

                          Which steps do we need to realize to get there?

                          Nothing! (No Brexit)



                          But the trading arrangements need to come first before we know what the border options are..
                          Last edited by zara; 10 Oct 17,, 19:24.

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                          • Originally posted by zara View Post
                            Where are we now?

                            No border, free trade, free movement

                            Where do we want to be?

                            No border, free trade, free movement

                            Which steps do we need to realize to get there?

                            Nothing! (No Brexit)



                            But the trading arrangements need to come first before we know what the border options are..
                            We're just the first to leave this sinking ship....the writing is on the wall for this political project for all to see. Only the blind would preach otherwise.

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                            • Originally posted by Toby View Post
                              We're just the first to leave this sinking ship....the writing is on the wall for this political project for all to see. Only the blind would preach otherwise.
                              Lol! Dream on!

                              Once we've demonstrated the fallout of unilateral economic disarmament I'm sure they'll be beating down the door to get out.

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                              • Brexit 'will work out just fine in the end', says £12.5bn fund manager

                                Nick Train runs some of the largest and best-known British investment funds, in total managing more than £12.5bn of investor money.
                                He is famed for running highly concentrated portfolios, rarely trading, and holding the companies he buys for very long periods.
                                He has run the £1.2bn Finsbury Growth and Income trust since 2000, after setting up Lindsell Train, his asset management firm with co-founder Michael Lindsell.
                                He tells Telegraph Money that he rarely finds companies he wants to buy, why Brexit doesn't worry him, and how EMI is engraved on his heart.

                                What’s your outlook on the UK economy, what is worrying you?
                                "There is one set of issues that we don’t lose any sleep about whatsoever, and another set that does bother us.
                                For macroeconomics and politics, including Brexit, we assume that everything will work out just fine in the end. That might sound like complacency but if you look at history and the performance of the UK stock market over very long periods of time that has been a very good working thesis.
                                There is another set of things that do keep us awake, such as what on earth technology is doing to individuals and companies at the moment.
                                Everywhere we look technology is accelerating, and either having wonderful or maligning effects on companies. We scarcely can think of a company that isn't implicated for good or ill. Pace of change is so quick that it worries us, the upside and downside is so great."

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