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    Respectfully Boris is talking bo**ocks - Britain is already paying that much in interest rates on the debt since the £ sunk and then apparently one has to pay a "leaving fee" as well as perhaps tariffs on exports to the continent. He is lying straight and simple. Non possible est. He just wants to be PM. He will never make it. Another Heseltine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    Respectfully Boris is talking bo**ocks - Britain is already paying that much in interest rates on the debt since the £ sunk and then apparently one has to pay a "leaving fee" as well as perhaps tariffs on exports to the continent. He is lying straight and simple. Non possible est. He just wants to be PM. He will never make it. Another Heseltine.
    As I have already said time and again on this thread and others. The EU's main weakness is that it is not the sum of its parts. Germany and France and others will be hit far worse than the UK in terms of trade tariffs....Pretending that the EU is one entity is quite frankly ridiculous because the plain truth is it ISN'T!!

    1. Can Germany afford to lose UK trade?
    2. Can France afford to lose UK trade?
    3. Can Italy afford to lose UK trade?
    4. Can Belgium?
    5. Can Holland?
    6. Can Denmark?
    7. Can Spain?
    No they can't, check the trade figure they don't lie the only liars and bullshitters are the EU commision!

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    Dukakis Part 2
    “We had been hopelessly labouring to plough waste lands; to make nationality grow in a place full of the certainty of God… Among the tribes our creed could be only like the desert grass – a beautiful swift seeming of spring; which, after a day’s heat, fell dusty.”
    ― T.E. Lawrence, Seven Pillars of Wisdom: A Triumph

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    There's a reason people outside of the islands don't like her particularly.

    And for historical context, the Challenger ride was Thatcher's haphazard attempt to delude the public into thinking she'd "support" the British defence industry, with the Heseltine resignation over the Westland Affair still fresh in people's minds (and the Westland Affair was just what the UK still deals with today - a struggle between pro-Europeans and those pro-Americans who happily destroy any local industry for the sake of "independence"). It was apparently successful enough that she felt safe enough to kill off GEC as a defence supplier only three months later...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    There's a reason people outside of the islands don't like her particularly.

    And for historical context, the Challenger ride was Thatcher's haphazard attempt to delude the public into thinking she'd "support" the British defence industry, with the Heseltine resignation over the Westland Affair still fresh in people's minds (and the Westland Affair was just what the UK still deals with today - a struggle between pro-Europeans and those pro-Americans who happily destroy any local industry for the sake of "independence"). It was apparently successful enough that she felt safe enough to kill off GEC as a defence supplier only three months later...
    Heseltine was a primadonna, with an eye firmly on Thatcher's job. GEC was acquired by BAE after it had made various bad acquisitions. I don't see how Thatcher is to blame for bad deals done by the board at GEC....she didn't run the company. The 80's and 90's was a period of mergers between defence, electronics and communications companies. All companies rise and fall depending on their business model. How is Thatcher to blame for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    As I have already said time and again on this thread and others. The EU's main weakness is that it is not the sum of its parts. Germany and France and others will be hit far worse than the UK in terms of trade tariffs....Pretending that the EU is one entity is quite frankly ridiculous because the plain truth is it ISN'T!!

    1. Can Germany afford to lose UK trade?
    2. Can France afford to lose UK trade?
    3. Can Italy afford to lose UK trade?
    4. Can Belgium?
    5. Can Holland?
    6. Can Denmark?
    7. Can Spain?
    No they can't, check the trade figure they don't lie the only liars and bullshitters are the EU commision!
    Well first Britain does not even pay £350m per week to the EU - apparently by Treasury figures it amounts to around £252m per week (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41306354). Nor of course is BoJo taking into account any 'leaving fee', nor as I said before the increased and growing debt repayments. Britain is already worse off due to the drop in the value of £ so if he wants to increase NHS funding he can only do so by adding to the debt. But I honestly doubt any of this matters to him - he just wants to be PM and this is just 'Prima Donna' as Heseltine ever was except that Heseltine was at least sincere in his pro European beliefs. The Cameron - Osbourne Government, even shackled down by Clegg and his pinkos was far superior to this shower and had a clear view of how to clear the deficit while taking the lower paid out of the tax system altogether. Don't get me wrong I like Boris as a person - he is a classicist and pro Greek rather an Romanophile so when I met him briefly we chatted classics. I just do not think he is telling the truth here and I am pretty sure he knows it. I pray to God he is never PM.

    I do not think the Europeans need British trade as much as Britain needs access to their markets. Nor do I think the EU can be seen to allow the UK to get out lightly as to do so would only encourage others to follow suit. I do hope you do get a free trade deal - I am sure Ukraine would welcome a free trade deal with UK, we already have one with Canada but then Canada is a kind of special ally as they have so many citizens of Ukrainian descent.

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    It was apparently successful enough that she felt safe enough to kill off GEC as a defence supplier only three months later...
    GEC became Marconi Systems which was acquired by BAE Systems. The industry was not 'destroyed' but merged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    GEC became Marconi Systems which was acquired by BAE Systems.
    GEC did not become Marconi Systems. Marconi was bought up by English Electric in 1946, and along with English Electric bought by GEC in 1968. It was split off in 1999 - after Thatcherism, during Blair - and sold to British Aerospace who renamed it BAE Systems.

    Thatcher effectively blocked GEC's aquisition of Plessey until 1989, while in the meantime cancelling contracts formed with GEC - in 1986 in particular opting for off-the-shelf Boeing E3 instead of Nimrod AEW3. An even more dubious one was CACS-4, the C4I system for the Type 23: They tendered out development studies to both Plessey and Ferranti in order to have two competing designs to chose from (after cancelling a previous contract with Ferranti in August 87) - and then awarded neither of them the contract, killing off both companies - with both soon snatched up by GEC itself, and not playing a role as defence contractors since then at all anymore. That kinda thing is not market forces, that's a government bent on downsizing the market.

    It's not like John Major was any better in that regard btw. He managed to kill off Swan Hunter.

    Realistically it's the utterly ridiculous story of how BAE Systems as virtually the only defence company still existant on the islands came to be. By willfully destroying all competitors and then letting a single company pick up the pieces. Only for that company to then split it all out once a Labour government came to be.

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