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    So now we're Greece......wow....luckily I dont live my life out of a spreadsheet.......fully understand the lack of long term investment in industry and the lack of appreciation of Engineers etc, but if you're going to pretend that the research and developement done in the UK is not essential to the German automtive industry then you are delusional!!

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    UK Automotive’s 18th annual Sustainability Report reveals the manufacturing sector turned over a record £77.5 billion in 2016, marking a seventh consecutive year of growth, while productivity, production output and vehicle sales also increased. At the same time, the industry improved its environmental impact, with waste to landfill falling to a new low of 0.9% of all waste produced.

    UK car and commercial vehicle production and new vehicle registration volumes grew to record levels in 2016, up 8.9% and 0.2% respectively.2 Meanwhile, employment in manufacturing remained stable at 169,000 jobs, resulting in productivity reaching a record high of 11.8 vehicles produced for each person employed in the industry. The average manufacturing worker generated more than £130,000 for the British economy, up 9.8% on 2015. The number of livelihoods dependent on the sector as a whole stood at 814,000 across manufacturing, retail, distribution and repair services.

    The record turnover by UK motor manufacturing represents a 9.0% increase on 2015, with the additional value added to the UK economy rising 7.3% to £21.5 billion. The industry also upped its investment in innovation, with R&D spend reaching £2.75 billion last year, up from £2.5 billion in 2015

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    There are other cars made in Brazil?
    yeh..... American Fords.....I thought you'd be a German Ford man though... ;-)

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    Also you can't really compare Spains car production to the UK, completely different animals.....and Spain as well as they are doing in the automotive industry in terms of production have no R and D.....huge mistake! and one they need to rectify

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    Just saw Tony Blair interviewed on Andrew Marr from this morning. I think he's absolutely bang on the money.
    He says the only way Brexit can be made to work is through a low tax, low regulation, minimal public services type model. This is of course the goal of the more libertarian types of the Brexiteers.

    The problem, as Blair points out is that the British just won't vote for this kind of change, which means we will usher in the far left of the labour party. The economic damage Brexit will bring combined with the reforms of a venezuela style ideolog will hurt this country deeply. It's the perfect storm, we're in big big trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zara View Post
    Just saw Tony Blair interviewed on Andrew Marr from this morning. I think he's absolutely bang on the money.
    He says the only way Brexit can be made to work is through a low tax, low regulation, minimal public services type model. This is of course the goal of the more libertarian types of the Brexiteers.

    The problem, as Blair points out is that the British just won't vote for this kind of change, which means we will usher in the far left of the labour party. The economic damage Brexit will bring combined with the reforms of a venezuela style ideolog will hurt this country deeply. It's the perfect storm, we're in big big trouble.
    Hows he doing with his war crimes accusations...??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Hows he doing with his war crimes accusations...??
    He got off scott free as you know. Hes still correct about brexit. If you want to make this a matter of judgement calls
    the same papers that support brexit were banging the drums for war in Iraq remember? The Sun, the Mail, the Express, the Spectator and the Telegraph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zara View Post
    He got off scott free as you know. Hes still correct about brexit. If you want to make this a matter of judgement calls
    the same papers that support brexit were banging the drums for war in Iraq remember? The Sun, the Mail, the Express, the Spectator and the Telegraph.
    And driving down wages at the lower end of the spectrum (low skilled) by allowing free movrment of people is ok coz it doesnt hurt the educated middle class. Strikes me you're looking out for your own social class Zara. For every action there is a reaction.

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    This could have all been avoided if greedy people would only listen. Instead of spoon feeding their next generation with silver!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    And driving down wages at the lower end of the spectrum (low skilled) by allowing free movrment of people is ok coz it doesnt hurt the educated middle class. Strikes me you're looking out for your own social class Zara. For every action there is a reaction.
    Strikes me you've got a chip on your shoulder against education Toby. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be quaffing Pol Roger like an elite, but unfortunately I can only afford cheap Prosseco like the rest of the sweaty masses.

    Im sure the low skilled will be queueing up to pick Asparagus after Brexit day.. soon they have a choice between not working in the UK as opposed to working anywhere they liked in 28 countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zara View Post
    Strikes me you've got a chip on your shoulder against education Toby
    Only Fake education..

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be quaffing Pol Roger like an elite, but unfortunately I can only afford cheap Prosseco like the rest of the sweaty masses.
    lol, Champagne is shit as is a lot of French wine, wouldn't touch it with a barge pole!

    Im sure the low skilled will be queueing up to pick Asparagus after Brexit day.. soon they have a choice between not working in the UK as opposed to working anywhere they liked in 28 countries
    Stunning contribution as always!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Only Fake education..
    Of course, if it's not Trump University then you don't recognise it. How about the University of Manchester? UMIST?

    Come on, as a Manc, you must be proud of them? I am. And I'm an immigrant (or was.. kind of)

    lol, Champagne is shit as is a lot of French wine, wouldn't touch it with a barge pole!
    Like I said, I wouldn't know, but Spanish Rjoca is delish and cheap as water here!


    To stay on subject, I'm really surprised by how utterly un-interested the Spanish are in Brexit. They barely seem to be aware... Don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zara View Post
    To stay on subject, I'm really surprised by how utterly un-interested the Spanish are in Brexit. They barely seem to be aware... Don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing!
    Eh, it's the same over here - no one really follows the negotiations or anything like that, because to people here it was a done deal once the Brits voted out. With a delay in execution. News coverage ain't even on a weekly, but on a monthly basis at best - and that's monthly across many publications, not one. 90% of the media here stopped reporting on Brexit on June 24th 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zara View Post
    Of course, if it's not Trump University then you don't recognise it. UMIST?
    lol, what makes you think I'm a trumpo supporter?

    How about the University of Manchester? Come on, as a Manc, you must be proud of them? I am. And I'm an immigrant (or was.. kind of)
    Its a major component and employer in Manchester, massive campus...over 100 buildings...along with the financial side to Manchester and the industries that still exist its what makes Manchester. A large part of the population in and around Manchester are immigrants going back 2 centuries...its not hard to feel at home and feel the positive vibe there...

    Like I said, I wouldn't know, but Spanish Rjoca is delish and cheap as water here!
    The French make some good stuff..I just don't like the pretentious aspect of what they produce, Most of it was ripped off the Italians anyway and you don't hear the Italians over emphasizing.

    To stay on subject, I'm really surprised by how utterly un-interested the Spanish are in Brexit. They barely seem to be aware... Don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing!
    They have enough of their own problems to worry about...getting their Caixa system back on its feet so they can refinance their building programs is key to Spain recovering.....I take it you've had Paella, try it with Black rice if you haven't already, its really nice. they use squid ink ..it looks really unusual.
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    Exclusive: Boris Johnson - Yes, we WILL take back £350m from EU for NHS

    Boris Johnson today sets out a grand vision of Britain’s “glorious” post-Brexit future as a low-tax, low regulation economy paying nothing to the EU for access to the single market.

    In a 4,000-word article for the Telegraph, the Foreign Secretary restates the key demand of the Leave campaign - that £350m a week currently sent to Brussels should be redirected to fund the NHS.

    He says that Britain should not continue to make payments to the EU after Brexit and that ongoing membership of the European single market and customs union would make a "complete mockery" of the referendum.

    Mr Johnson, who has said virtually nothing about Brexit in the wake of the election, makes no reference to any transition period after 2019 and makes repeated reference to how EU bureaucracy is a drag on economic performance.

    The blueprint and vision he sets out today differs markedly from the plan set out by Philip Hammond and other Cabinet ministers - who have stressed the need to remain close to the single market and pay money to maintain access.

    It comes less than a week before Theresa May delivers a pivotal Brexit speech in Florence, and effectively amounts to an ultimatum to the Prime Minister on what she is expected to say.

    It is understood that the Foreign Secretary wished to make a speech about Brexit but has not had the opportunity. Whitehall sources suggested that the Prime Minister and Chancellor were unaware of Mr Johnson's article.

    His Brexit blueprint will send shockwaves through the Tory ranks and will inevitably spark speculation that Mr Johnson - who sources say supports the Prime Minister and her agenda - may still harbour leadership ambitions, as the Conservative Party prepares to meet at its annual conference next month.

    In his passionately patriotic article he insists that Britain can be “the greatest country on earth” and rounds on so-called Remoaners “who think we are going to bottle it”.

    He also accuses Labour of “chickening out” of Brexit.

    The most striking inclusion in his article is the repetition of his claim that Britain will be £350 million per week better off after leaving the EU and that the money could be spent on the NHS. The controversial claim appeared on the side of the Leave campaign bus during last year’s referendum campaign and has been bitterly disputed by Remainers ever since.

    However, Mr Johnson says: “Once we have settled our accounts, we will take back control of roughly £350m per week.

    “It would be a fine thing, as many of us have pointed out, if a lot of that money went on the NHS, provided we use that cash injection to modernise and make the most of new technology.”

    Mr Johnson is also dismissive of the suggestion that Britain should pay to access the single market during the transition period or beyond, saying: “We would not expect to pay for access to their markets any more than they would expect to pay for access to ours.”

    He deploys soaring rhetoric in the tub-thumping article to insist that Britain “will succeed in our new national enterprise, and will succeed mightily” while slapping down opponents of Brexit who are “woefully underestimating this country” and who think Brexit “isn’t going to happen”.

    The Foreign Secretary also settles old scores by attacking those who tried to prevent the Leave vote, such as “the government, the BBC, Barack Obama, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the CBI [Confederation of British Industry], every major political party and much of the media”.

    Under Mr Johnson’s blueprint for Brexit, leaving the EU must “logically entail” leaving the single market, the customs union and the European Court of Justice.

    He says Britain will “keep environmental and social protections that are fair and wise”, but will ditch EU regulations that he says cost anything between 4 and 7 per cent of GDP.

    Treading heavily on Mr Hammond’s toes, Mr Johnson says: “We should seize the opportunity of Brexit to reform our tax system,” pointing out that the Bank of England’s chief economist said in 2015 that the system is “skewed” and discourages investment.

    He adds: “Outside the EU there are obvious opportunities… in the setting of indirect taxation. At the stroke of a pen, the Chancellor will be able to cut VAT on tampons; often demanded by parliament but – absurdly – legally impossible to deliver.”

    He also suggests that Britain should think about taxing foreign buyers of British property to prevent them forcing house prices up.

    Another way of tackling the housing crisis, he says, would be to simplify planning laws and environmental impact assessments.

    He singles out the Communities Secretary Sajid Javid and the Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt for praise, but makes no mention of the Brexit Secretary David Davis or the Chancellor Philip Hammond.

    On immigration, he says that businesses should be able to access the skills they need but “will no longer be able to use immigration as an excuse not to invest in the young people of this country”. He also wants a Britain where “fat cat” bosses are no longer rewarded for failure.

    On trade, Britain will be able to “get on and do free trade deals” around the world, particularly with Commonwealth countries, rather than looking to the EU for ways to expand.

    His view directly challenges Mr Hammond’s preference for a lengthy transition period leading to a “jobs first” agreement with the EU.

    Mr Johnson sees Brexit as a “chance to catch the wave of new technology, and to put Britain in the lead”. As automated vehicles take over the car market, the car industry will transform itself in Britain, while the protectionist EU will try to hold back the revolution.

    He also accuses Jeremy Corbyn of “chickening out” of Brexit with his party’s preference for remaining in the single market and customs union, or nearest equivalent.

    “He would make a complete mockery of Brexit,” he writes, “and turn an opportunity into a national humiliation.”

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