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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    The Germans already have those EU sales. There are companies from four countries that produce the overwhelming majority of cars in the UK - as in 99%. Those companies are Nissan, Toyota and Honda from Japan, BMW and Opel (owning Vauxhall and GM Manufacturing Luton) from Germany and Tata Motors (owning Jaguar) from India. It's more about whether these would decide to scale production in the UK to the UK market while moving production for the EU to the continent. And if any kind of toll is installed they will do just that, taking anywhere between 150k and 250k jobs with them.

    The largest single actual British car-producing companies in Britain is McLaren. Which builds around 2,000 of those 1.72 million cars.
    You really don't have a good sense of engineering know how do you Kato? its all numbers and movement of production in your world. You can't just move car production anywhere you numpty. The UK has the infrastructure to support car manufacturing because it has the knowledge base and it has component suppliers based here in the UK, yes some are also in Europe but the skills are here, the market is here so dream on. If you really think a market place such as ours can be sacrificed for a bunch of peasants colonies in the east and bankrupt nations in the south you are truly delusional. The EU will end up subsidising automotive purchasing to solely prop up Germany. It would be a spiral into nowhere!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    And if they're spikey they can be painful to try to sit on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zara View Post
    But we are not just leaving the EU. We are leaving the single market, the customs union, Euratom and probably the council of Europe too.
    The drinks are on me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zara View Post
    It's because the brexit leaders told fibs. They said our policy on cake was 'pro eating, and pro having'. They said Germany would give us everything we wanted because we buy a lot of German cars and Italien prosecco. They said we were champions of trade because we made 'innovative jam'. They labeled every warning of any consequence of leaving as 'Project fear'. They dressed the whole sorry thing up as a patriotic choice and told us that many millions of Turks would soon be decending on our Island if we stayed.

    Now they are trying to paint the EU's entirely predictable and rational response as 'punishment', and taking every opportunity to insult them.
    Oh look Macron has just done what Cameron did....he's gone to speak to the EU/Der Fuhrer....I wonder why???? hmmmm big one that. Could it be that he is addressing the concerns of his population...hmmmm. Guess he'll have to give the French something, they did vote for him after all....I wonder what Merkel will allow??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Oh look Macron has just done what Cameron did....he's gone to speak to the EU/Der Fuhrer....I wonder why???? hmmmm big one that. Could it be that he is addressing the concerns of his population...hmmmm. Guess he'll have to give the French something, they did vote for him after all....I wonder what Merkel will allow??
    He wants a euro zone budget, a eurozone finance minister and the completion of the banking union. I imagine the commission (and Merkel) will be quite receptive to that. He doesnt want a looser union like Cameron did, he wants a stronger one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zara View Post
    He wants a euro zone budget, a eurozone finance minister and the completion of the banking union. I imagine the commission (and Merkel) will be quite receptive to that. He doesn't want a looser union like Cameron did, he wants a stronger one.
    Agreed! just Like Hollande did before him, at heart he's another socialist and therefore by default a Manchurian candidate. As he pretends to represent France but actually supports the corporate socialism of the EU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Oh look Macron has just done what Cameron did....he's gone to speak to the EU/Der Fuhrer
    If that is what you believe - and in many ways I can understand the reasons for such a view - was it not entirely stupid for the UK to quit the field and cede it entirely to the Frogs and Krauts?

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    Put your helmut on snapper. We''re going to find out!

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    Some more interesting figures about the British automotive indusry
    The automotive industry is a vital part of the UK economy accounting for more than £71.6 billion turnover and £18.9 billion value added.

    With some 169,000 people employed directly in manufacturing and in excess of 814,000 across the wider automotive industry, it accounts for 12.0% of total UK export of goods and invests £4 billion each year in automotive R&D.
    There are over 3,000 companies involved in the UK automotive sector, ranging from luxury car manufacturers such as Bentley, Jaguar Land Rover and Rolls-Royce, to construction equipment makers such as JCB

    More cars are now being exported from Britain than ever before, the result of investments made over recent years in world-class production facilities, cutting-edge design and technology and one of Europe’s most highly skilled and productive workforces.
    UK engine manufacturing output rises a fifth in March (19.5%) to 271,359 units.
    Home market delivers 21.4% increase in production for the month – exceeding overseas growth in a reversal of the year-to-date trend.
    March export demand grows 18.0%, with 153,206 units shipped overseas.
    Record quarter as Q1 exceeds 700,000 units for first time, up 11.4% year-on-year.
    British car makers produced 170,691 vehicles in March, up 7.3%, the biggest month in 17 years.
    One car exported every 20 seconds in March with export demand up 10.6% on previous year.
    Biggest Q1 for 17 years for UK car manufacturing with 471,695 units produced so far in 2017, up 7.6%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Put your helmut on snapper. We''re going to find out!
    How many times have you worn a helmet in a war zone? Have you ever smelt the smell of the dead bodies rotting in summer? The smell of grad rockets? Unless so do not claim you are so eager to risk it and the lives of others.

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    So I just read some reviews of the Tory (Theresa May) manifesto which is all supposed to 'mainstream conservatism' or some guff like that. Have to say it makes no sense to me - they appear to be screwing the real conservatives. So if you work hard in school and all your working life, pay tax and save money etc as every prudent and decent person should then if you need care in your later life and own a house worth £100,000 or more the costs of your care will come from the value of your house once you kick the bucket... So what was the point saving your money, paying taxes and working hard to be able to pass on a property to ones children? Let's face it you cant buy a garden shed in London now for £100,000 let alone a decent place in the country so basically everyone who has worked hard in their lives and not saved sufficient funds to cover possible care costs in their old age gets penalised? And these are Tories? I can no longer vote in the UK for better or for worse but this does seem a little like shooting your own natural voter base in the pocket and frankly making the work hard and pay tax ethic worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    How many times have you worn a helmet in a war zone? Have you ever smelt the smell of the dead bodies rotting in summer? The smell of grad rockets? Unless so do not claim you are so eager to risk it and the lives of others.
    If your aim is to prove you don't have a sense of humour....then we'll done mission accomplished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    So I just read some reviews of the Tory (Theresa May) manifesto which is all supposed to 'mainstream conservatism' or some guff like that. Have to say it makes no sense to me - they appear to be screwing the real conservatives. So if you work hard in school and all your working life, pay tax and save money etc as every prudent and decent person should then if you need care in your later life and own a house worth £100,000 or more the costs of your care will come from the value of your house once you kick the bucket... So what was the point saving your money, paying taxes and working hard to be able to pass on a property to ones children? Let's face it you cant buy a garden shed in London now for £100,000 let alone a decent place in the country so basically everyone who has worked hard in their lives and not saved sufficient funds to cover possible care costs in their old age gets penalised? And these are Tories? I can no longer vote in the UK for better or for worse but this does seem a little like shooting your own natural voter base in the pocket and frankly making the work hard and pay tax ethic worthless.
    I agree!

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    Theresa was getting absolutely hammered by the media yesterday. I understand what she's trying to achieve and why. But major brick for the Tories and another apparent U turn.

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    Merkel's condolences on Manchester today included an interesting little sidesnipe - that "of course we will still cooperate with Britain after Brexit" In direct reference to the attack.
    Also, that attacks like that would "ensure that we will continue engaging [terrorists] together with our [...ever so sliiiiight pause...] British friends".

    Guess that's what May gets for putting security cooperation on the table in the first place.

    Also, less seriously, she assured Britain of Germany's support. That doesn't bode well for May in the General Elections.
    It's considered a political trope in Germany that if Merkel assures someone of her confidence in them etc then that person will exit the political stage within the next few months.

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