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    Thought this was funny

    "what were you NOT meant to do?"
    "SMASH CONSTITUTION"
    "and what did you do"
    "SMASHED CONSTITUTION"

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    The British Government has lost a court case at the Court of Session; the highest Court in Scotland that has ruled unanimously (three judges) that the proroguation of Parliament was illegal. A similar case, involving the former Tory PM Sir John Major in England was won by the Government in the fist instance - both cases will be appealed of course and end in the Supreme Court.

    One of the reasons why the Government may have lost the case in Scotland is because they apparently argued than any Prime Minister can prorogue Parliament anytime and for as long he/she chooses. If this were correct Parliament would sit only when the PM chose - or not at all. That is clearly wrong if you consider that the duty of the elected assembly is to provide a balance and check on the actions of the Executive. It cannot very well perform those duties if it's even sitting is dependent on the whim of the PM. Really if they push this mad line of argument they are trying to severely limit the function and sovereignty of Parliament - which is essentially why the Civil War started.
    Yet parliament is suspended right now is it not ?

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    Ha ha ha! I am sure your great sense of humour will be a comfort to those who lose family due to medicine shortages.
    Stock up ?

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    Regardless of whether or not you agree with Boris's position. I thought that the Luxembourg's PM attitude stunk! ..Boris was right not to pander to these C-nts. They behave like children denied their christmas present due to bad behaviour...wheel in 50 middle class English toffs with a mega phone and expect the UK PM to speak over that racket??? Boris told them to stick it up their rectom and righlty so!

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    I see Lord Pannick is representing Gina Miller at todays hearing, How apt!...Only in the UK, no extra charge ..lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Yet parliament is suspended right now is it not ?
    For now barring a court case. The last rumour in the British press is that once Parliament returns - on October 14th barring the ruling of the Supreme Court - a vote will be put on a 'Boris deal', a kind of rewording of the May deal without the Irish backstop or a customs border in the Irish Sea. If such a vote is won Parliament will again be suspended immediately until November 6th. This is clearly abuse of the Royal Prerogative as advised by the PM for the PM's own political objectives.


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    Stock up ?
    Nearly all medicines (including viagra I am told) have a shelf life. In the case of radio isotopes used to treat various cancers it is days not weeks or months as the radioactive decay is necessarily fast so as not to poison the patient. People will die who would not otherwise do so but this seems to be no problem for the brainwashed Brexiteers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    For now barring a court case. The last rumour in the British press is that once Parliament returns - on October 14th barring the ruling of the Supreme Court - a vote will be put on a 'Boris deal', a kind of rewording of the May deal without the Irish backstop or a customs border in the Irish Sea. If such a vote is won Parliament will again be suspended immediately until November 6th. This is clearly abuse of the Royal Prerogative as advised by the PM for the PM's own political objectives.
    Point i'm trying to make is the outcomes so far mirror numbers in parliament. Given there isn't much of a majority there is something for both sides.

    Leavers got the suspend and remainers have blocked a no deal exit. They have also blocked snap elections.

    Neither can complain democracy isn't working.


    Nearly all medicines (including viagra I am told) have a shelf life. In the case of radio isotopes used to treat various cancers it is days not weeks or months as the radioactive decay is necessarily fast so as not to poison the patient. People will die who would not otherwise do so but this seems to be no problem for the brainwashed Brexiteers.
    Those people are screwed.

    I'm referring to drugs with a shelf life of two years at least. There are companies who sell 6 month old drugs on discount whose services i use frequently. I figure if it isn't a year old and still has a year or so left on top then its good enough at a 20% discount.

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    The Hypocrisy of the Liberal elite is staggering, They complain about the proroguing of parliament and yet want to ignore completely the Referendum result. Liberal Fascists the lot of them!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Point i'm trying to make is the outcomes so far mirror numbers in parliament. Given there isn't much of a majority there is something for both sides.

    Leavers got the suspend and remainers have blocked a no deal exit. They have also blocked snap elections.

    Neither can complain democracy isn't working.
    IF indeed the Boris Government obeys the law that was passed, which as I understand they have hinted they may not.


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    Those people are screwed.
    Doubtless this knowledge will delight the insaniteers. Nor do I think the NHS would normally risk 'discount drugs' that are passed their 'use before' dates as it would leave them open compensation law cases were things to go wrong.


    Also lets get this constitutional legal point clear; an advisory referendum is not a law. Only Parliament and the Queens consent on a Bill passed by both Houses make laws. The Courts do not have the right to question the law but to interpret it. They also have the ability to interpret the law set in context of similar cases in the past - precedent. The Government is not sovereign, Parliament as a whole is. Proroguing Parliament for 5 weeks has never been done in the modern era and this in itself the purpose of the suspension was to stop a minority Government forcing it's Brexit strategy through without Parliamentary oversight. When speaking of 'democracy' there is currently a Prime Minister elected by 90,000 Conservative Party members leading a Parliamentary minority is preventing Parliament fulfilling it's constitutional duty of oversight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    IF indeed the Boris Government obeys the law that was passed, which as I understand they have hinted they may not.
    Cannot leave without a deal. Now whether the deal is good or not is another question but there is no hard brexit.


    Doubtless this knowledge will delight the insaniteers. Nor do I think the NHS would normally risk 'discount drugs' that are passed their 'use before' dates as it would leave them open compensation law cases were things to go wrong.
    Drugs past the sell by date cannot be sold in any country. I'm talking about ones with a 2 yr shelf life which can be stocked for months.

    Also lets get this constitutional legal point clear; an advisory referendum is not a law. Only Parliament and the Queens consent on a Bill passed by both Houses make laws. The Courts do not have the right to question the law but to interpret it. They also have the ability to interpret the law set in context of similar cases in the past - precedent. The Government is not sovereign, Parliament as a whole is. Proroguing Parliament for 5 weeks has never been done in the modern era and this in itself the purpose of the suspension was to stop a minority Government forcing it's Brexit strategy through without Parliamentary oversight. When speaking of 'democracy' there is currently a Prime Minister elected by 90,000 Conservative Party members leading a Parliamentary minority is preventing Parliament fulfilling it's constitutional duty of oversight.
    That is my understanding. But the counter is it was done so as to prevent opposition stone walling every proposal with the express intent to run the clock down. Because for remain no conceivable deal to leave is acceptable.

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    Luxembourg has reminded British 'why they don't want to be in Europe, says US envoy Woody Johnson

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...wants-says-us/

    Boris Johnson’s treatment at the hands of Luxembourg’s prime minister is a reminder of why the UK wants to leave the European Union, the US ambassador said on Tuesday night.

    In a show of solidarity, Woody Johnson said that having “built the greatest empire” and “held off the Nazis”, the British “didn’t need a lecture from anybody on how to run their country ... and that includes Brussels”.

    He added: “We stand with the people of the UK and we always will.”

    It came after Xavier Bettel, the Luxembourg prime minister, was accused of “disrespecting” Britain after he tried to force Mr Johnson to hold a news conference in a street full of anti-Brexit protesters, leaving the Prime Minister no choice but to pull out.

    Speaking at the Carlton Club on Tuesday, the US ambassador praised Mr Johnson’s handling of the situation, 
insisting that “he knew he was walking into a trap”. “He knew this was a set up. Of course he knew, but he’s British. He said: ‘What the hell. I can do this’.

    “I thought the people in Luxembourg accomplished something that maybe even Boris couldn’t accomplish – show this is not where (the British) want to be, over there, when they treat us like that – your Prime Minister.”

    Addressing a Conservative Foreign & Commonwealth Council lunch at the private members’ club in Pall Mall, the ambassador said that while “some had cast doubt” on the British people’s 
decision to leave the EU, “the US 
administration believes it’s the start of a new golden era for the UK.”

    He said: “The people who built the greatest empire, the people who held off the Nazis, who contributed so much to the progress of mankind, you can go down a long list – they don’t need a lecture from anybody on how to run their country, and that includes Brussels.”

    Mr Bettel’s “empty chairing” of Mr Johnson appeared to cause unease in Brussels and Berlin on Tuesday.


    Norbert Röttgen, an ally of Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, and chairman of the German foreign affairs committee, wrote on Twitter: “Xavier Bettel’s speech yesterday did not serve the European cause. His public venting ignored that a deal is still in everyone’s interest. Even without a deal there will be a post-Brexit life, which means that right now everyone needs to behave in a way that avoids animosity.”

    It came as Mr Bettel met Emmanuel Macron, the French president, for talks at the Elysée Palace in Paris.

    Senior diplomatic sources told The Telegraph that it was never 
 acceptable to embarrass a country such as the UK and that a solution should have been found to hold the press conference elsewhere.

    EU sources expressed doubts that a similar farce would have happened in Paris or Berlin. “I think leaders of bigger countries might not have chosen the Brexit negotiations as a platform to raise their own profile,” one EU diplomat in Brussels said.

    Another EU source warned that the outcry could actually help Mr Johnson domestically. “The main problem is that this only reinforces the ‘them versus us’ narrative that Johnson has used before,” said the insider.

    There was also anger that Mr Bettel’s behaviour overshadowed Mr Johnson’s earlier meeting with Jean-Claude Juncker, the EU Commission president, where he offered an olive branch by declaring that negotiations would continue “at high speed” in a bid to build a sense of momentum behind talks before the Oct 31 Brexit deadline.


    On Tuesday, a Government source revealed that the UK negotiating team has been showing Brussels papers with proposals of backstop alternatives – but not leaving them with the EU because “once you share it with 27 countries, you’re not in control of the document”.

    The source said: “We showed them the text of the Northern Ireland protocol, without the backstop in it, to show them the precision of removal that we’re looking for.” Proposals the UK has discussed concerned areas such as agri-food, the source added.

    Ambassador Johnson insisted that Britain could have agreements with both Washington and Brussels. “The US cannot wait to do a deal. Together with Britain, we are going to show the world how free and fair trade can promote peace and prosperity around the world. So it’s full steam ahead  ... the minute the UK is out, America is in.”

    Referring to a pre-referendum claim by Barack Obama, that the US would not prioritise a trade deal with the UK, he said: “It’s not back of the queue days any more, sorry.

    “This is the real deal. So if you want it, you’re going to get it and you’re 
going to get a good one. When it looks bleak, you’re going to get the US and you’re going to have a great relationship with Europe, I guarantee it.”

    on Tuesday night, YouGov polling showed Mr Johnson’s popularity rating rose five points since he took office, from minus 21 to minus 16. The PM reached a high of minus 12 last Thursday, before dropping back to minus 16 on Tuesday.

    Jeremy Corbyn is polling at minus 49, down from a high of 0 in June 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Cannot leave without a deal.
    On this you are factually incorrect. In fact the default position if no new agreement is reached and passed by Parliament - or an extension agreed - is that on October 31st at midnight the UK leaves without any agreement. Tariffs and customs delays and hard borders both in Ireland and on the Channel coast then follow.

    The fear of the majority of MPs is that this is precisely what the Johnson Government is actually trying to accomplish. Thus the EU and sources inside Whitehall both confirm confirm that although Boris Johnson says "negotiations are going great" and other such meaningless hot air - not one new proposal has been put forward by the UK to get a new deal. This is also why Parliament was prorogued - precisely to "run down the clock" so that as a result the UK leaves with no deal.

    This is why the Hilary Benn law was passed requiring the Government to ask for another extension until January 31st. It is argued that with backstop in place a new election could be held allowing the voters to chose between the Parties positions. The LibDems have apparently promised to revoke Article 50 if elected with a majority.

    My Sister sent me an amusing metaphor about Brexit which I have enhanced a little to illustrate the point.

    Imagine you are put in charge of looking after a child between say 8 and 10yrs old. You have no real idea how to amuse this young person so you suggest going to the cinema. Great but what's on? you are asked. Oh don't worry about - there's always a Disney film on somewhere you reply to convince the child that the cinema outing will be fun so the child agrees to go to the cinema. To get there though is a long way but that's no problem you have a gun so stop the first car that comes along hijack the car and tell the driver that you'll return the car after having the child to the cinema. When you get to the cinema there are no Disney films on but there is a particularly violent horror film full of nudity and sexual violence that you want to see so force the child to watch. This results in the child suffering trauma, not eating, sleeping well or being able to attend school on occasions.

    When the Police (for the car hijack) and Social Services (regarding the traumatised child) come to ask you what the hell you thought you were doing you shrug; "Not my fault, the child said he/she wanted to go the cinema."

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    On this you are factually incorrect. In fact the default position if no new agreement is reached and passed by Parliament - or an extension agreed - is that on October 31st at midnight the UK leaves without any agreement. Tariffs and customs delays and hard borders both in Ireland and on the Channel coast then follow.

    The fear of the majority of MPs is that this is precisely what the Johnson Government is actually trying to accomplish. Thus the EU and sources inside Whitehall both confirm confirm that although Boris Johnson says "negotiations are going great" and other such meaningless hot air - not one new proposal has been put forward by the UK to get a new deal. This is also why Parliament was prorogued - precisely to "run down the clock" so that as a result the UK leaves with no deal.
    Hang on a minute, this is how i understood it

    What happened to that surrender bill that got passed ?

    If there is no deal come Oct end, BJ has to ask for an extension.

    The only wild card here is the EU has to play ball.
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    The UK have been at the cinema for the last 3 years watching an EU/Remaoner horror movie. They'll be nothing but relieved when they get out. That and a nice trade deal with the US, the worlds largest economy!

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    They'll be nothing but relieved when they get out. That and a nice trade deal with the US, the worlds largest economy!

    I hope we can get proper hot dogs and balony with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedicabby View Post
    I hope we can get proper hot dogs and balony with that.
    Some nice sauces and plenty of baloney probably. oh and bleached chickens all round.lol
    Last edited by Freyr; 18 Sep 19, at 18:03.

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