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    I certainly wouldn't advocate the Pinochet route, but you can see his point when the Bourgeois get rattled. Certainly throwing their toys out of the pram fine style at the mo.

    When any document that Gov produces to cope with worst case scenario becomes a blue print for ARMAGEDDON or any legal bit of paper becomes one of Moses 10 commandment. The stench of desperation starts to become more than apparent. But no, no Lime pits just yet.

    I see the reasons given to call the Prorogation illegal are due to it being sort in a 'clandestine manner'. But Propagation in its self is a political act and not a matter for the courts.

    It also might be worth mentioning that its conference season at present and Parliament doesn't function as it would normally anyway. Due to there being limited numbers present
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    I think also there's a misunderstanding when the word 'Establishment' is used. I tend to use it when referring to the clique at the top or the intellectual pile, the ones who over think everything and get nothing done, invent new bureaucratic industries that are worthless to the rest of us and actually cost us more money. The same ones that have turned relatively prosperous easy going industries into fill a form in and watch your back cultures. Basically turning society into one of litigation to feed the legal professions pockets. What I wasn't referring to was people with land or a property portfolio, I would definitely get rid of the Lords and have a second house built on merit not hereditary rights. I couldn't care less which private school you went to or who your father is and I have no time for Jealousy, if you want something go and earn it and stop whinging!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyr View Post


    I see the reasons given to call the Prorogation illegal are due to it being sort in a 'clandestine manner'. But Propagation in its self is a political act and not a matter for the courts.

    It also might be worth mentioning that its conference season at present and Parliament doesn't function as it would normally anyway. Due to there being limited numbers present

    The people voted to leave and after 3 plus years of faffing about PMBJ is trying to do just that. The remainuses are just throwing shit around and grasping at straws. Kinda like project fear. Truly pathetic.

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    Does the picture below encapsulate your thoughts?

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    Just about sums it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedicabby View Post
    Just about sums it up.
    You are not on your own by a long chalk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedicabby View Post
    The people voted to leave and after 3 plus years of faffing about PMBJ is trying to do just that. The remainuses are just throwing shit around and grasping at straws. Kinda like project fear. Truly pathetic.
    First it is not "remainuses" that issued the Yellowhammer reports last week but Boris Johnson's so called Government. It is dated August 2nd when Johnson was PM. In the original version, published by the Sunday Times and for some reason obtained by the Scottish and Welsh Governments, it is not titled "worse case scenarios" but "base scenarios." It is 'project fear' or aliens - these are 'base' predictions of your current pro Brexit Government.

    No it does not say the NHS "will collapse" though the British Medical Association (BMA) has said that a no deal Brexit would be "catastrophic" for the NHS. It says medicines may be scarce, which means some people - people who rely on various drugs to live almost daily will not get them on time and so will die. Look it is damn easy to work this out for yourself: Suppose every truck, ship or plane containing cargo takes 1/2hr to clear customs - coming into the UK or leaving (so when the truck get's to Calais for example). I mean 1/2hr is optimistic - that is where you get prediction that a truck leaving the UK might have to wait 2 to 3 days. The whole M20 will become a lorry park back to the M25, the Jubilee Bridge and Dartford Tunnel. It might be possible to keep one lane open at best - for cars. So someone in Manchester say needs a radio isotope to treat their cancer - well isotopes and most medicines have a limited shelf life anyway so you cannot 'stockpile' them - they have to be got fresh and fast. But it's going to take you 2-3days to get through Kent let alone the rest of the journey so people are going to die. This is why your Government is stockpiling bodybags.

    I mean I hope you depend on some medicine to stay alive and none of your family or friends need insulin or suffer from some otherwise fatal ailment - even epilepsy can be fatal for some but others do and will die. Is that what they told you would happen from Brexit? Is that what you voted for?

    Add on these increased transport costs - let alone import taxes and you get inflation, job losses, bankruptcies for companies reliant on 'just on time' parts arrivals and small businesses in the care sector going broke. So more jobless people, more dead old people, less tax income, more people living on the streets - and your dream of an imaginary 'new golden era'. I am not kidding; this is the sort of 'expectation analysis' that Governments usually do for a natural disaster or a war. It is not something any responsible Government would willingly put it's own populace through - even if the people insanely believed, as you appear to, that 'everything will be ok'. It won't. People who did not have die early will.

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    https://www.ft.com/content/c430599c-...7-807ebd53ab77

    French check UK-made goods in first Brexit dress rehearsal
    British exports to EU to be treated like those of China or US in event of no-deal exit

    French customs officials chose trucks carrying Airbus wing parts and baby equipment imported from the UK for special inspections on Thursday in a rehearsal for a possible no-deal Brexit that could disrupt cross-Channel trade.

    “We are preparing as if there is no deal,” said Gérald Darmanin, the French budget minister responsible for customs, as the Brittany Ferries vessel Mont St Michel from Portsmouth disgorged trucks and holidaymakers’ cars and caravans on to the Ouistreham dock in the early morning drizzle.

    “If there’s a deal we’ll adjust and it’ll be a little easier. And if there’s no deal that means Great Britain for us is a market equivalent to South Africa.”

    France says a no-deal Brexit as early as October 31 is now the most likely outcome despite more than two years of EU-UK negotiations, and it has been accelerating preparations with manufacturers, truckers and logistics groups to handle the nearly 5m truck movements a year between French ports and the UK — 80 per cent of them from other EU countries such as Germany and Spain.

    Without a Brexit deal, trade from the UK that has hitherto flowed unhindered across the EU’s single market will be subject to customs tariffs and safety inspections, and veterinary controls.

    On Wednesday the UK government bowed to pressure from parliament to disclose controversial documents setting out its “worst-case scenario” in the event of a no-deal Brexit.*

    France is hiring and training an extra 700 customs officers and has spent €40m on a new IT system and facilities for handling and inspecting trucks in ports such as Calais at the French end of the Channel tunnel.

    The Caen rehearsal — at a port with only three ferry sailings a day to the British city of Portsmouth — is the first of a series of tests to be held in French ports in the coming weeks, including the biggest freight terminal at the mouth of the Channel tunnel in Calais.

    During Thursday’s rehearsal in Normandy, customs officers divided vehicles into “green” for those with advance online clearance and “orange” for those requiring inspections of their documents or cargo.

    The job of the French government, at the request of the French president, is that it should be a divorce with as little pain as possible

    Two trucks with Airbus wing parts made in the UK and destined for the company’s assembly plants in Toulouse, and one lorry with Tommee-Tippee babies’ dummies and other baby equipment from UK company Mayborn, were designated orange.

    “Either the British will stay within the norms because until now they are supposed to manufacture within EU norms, or they will adopt rules that are much more flexible and then we will inspect them as if they were Chinese or American products,” said a customs officer named Nicole, as she examined the baby dummies taken from a box in the lorry operated by the transportation group XPO Logistics.

    “They will be rigorously treated in the same manner as a ‘third country’ not in the EU,” she added, declining to give her family name. “There’s no preferential treatment if it’s a really hard Brexit.”

    Airbus has repeatedly warned of the risks of Brexit, and chief executive Guillaume Faury said at the end of July that it was “obvious” no-deal was likely.

    French president Emmanuel Macron and his ministers have insisted they want to maintain good relations with the UK after Brexit, whether it is hard or soft, but their immediate priority is to protect from disruption the 100,000 French companies that they estimate trade with the UK.

    Mr Darmanin said there would be “no traffic jams” on the French side because the French authorities were prepared for Brexit.

    But he added: “It’s obvious that Brexit is not the same as no Brexit. If you separate from your partner, your wife, your husband, it’s not the same as when you are married . . . Now the job of the French government, at the request of the French president, is that it should be a divorce with as little pain as possible.”
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    Oh no! I did not for a moment think that governments might act to insure as little disruption as possible. This kinda sucks as I was gonna stockpile viagra and sell it at a premium outta the back of the rickshaw in Soho on Saturday nights after a nice hard Brexit. So much for gettin rich quick.

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    I'm kinda slightly amused by the thought that uk customs would make it harder for essential medicines to enter the UK....Could somebody please point out the logic of that or am I missing something ..lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedicabby View Post
    Oh no! I did not for a moment think that governments might act to insure as little disruption as possible. This kinda sucks as I was gonna stockpile viagra and sell it at a premium outta the back of the rickshaw in Soho on Saturday nights after a nice hard Brexit. So much for gettin rich quick.
    Ha ha ha! I am sure your great sense of humour will be a comfort to those who lose family due to medicine shortages.

    Portsmouth to Caen is three ferries per day. Brittany Ferries also run routes to St Malo and Roscoff and even Spain I seem to recall. Dover to Calais is 38 ferries every 24hrs and if the M20 gets backed up - which it will - then you have delays of 2 to 3 days as your Government itself estimates. Sure you can do all you want to 'prepare' - remember they wasted alot of money trying to open Ramsgate again to freight but ballsed it up but this is what you actually want! A hard border.

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    Section nine of the 1689 Bill of Rights says 'That the freedom of speech and debates or proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliament' To do so is not only challenging democracy itself but imposing a new model of governance. It's in effect a coup via the establishment.

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    The freedom of Parliament to hold the executive to account is not challenged by the courts but by the Executive so the courts are asked to rule on lies of the PM regarding the reasons for the proroguement of Parliament.

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