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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    Never met a vessel not under command.
    The rule book covers every eventuality, because we're talking real world not fairyland. Maybe its your sail boat without you in it after you've been thrown a life raft

    Fishermen can go leap out of my way and I cut your nets.
    Not going to happen

    Want to ram me... .
    Not particularly

    just tell me how far your nets extend and let me pass.
    ah you mean on the radio or are you using flags? but typically anything from 1 to 2 miles is safe depending on the size of vessel. I certainly wouldn't try and cut the nets and you will be a little more than emotional

    That was in June 2016... wake up dozy! It's now September 2019 and many people doubtless know they were lied to! How do you know it is the will of the British people now?
    Well the odds are on a snap election, so I guess we'll find out. But it doesn't look good for Remain...every time they open their mouths they just sound arrogant and self interested.

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    ust because there is no written constitution does not mean there is no constitution in the UK which indeed there is based on common law precedent. If it hasn't been done before it is unconstitutional and nobody has used a proroguation before to deny the House of Commons it's right in debating a fundamental issue of the nations constitutional future and quite possibly of the Unions remaining existence.
    Theres always a first!

    There was another General election after that in June 2017 remember so these figures are nothing to do with today
    You mean the one where Theresa the Appeasers Remain gov decided not to campaign but won anyway? I'm putting money on a landslide for Boris in his election
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steph View Post
    I don't know, so you must be right.
    Are you suggesting that the N. Ireland/UK mainland border is the place where the control will be increased and the immigration will be stopped ?
    I'm saying checks are already there if IDs are required

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steph View Post
    Damned. I now realize how undemocratic the UK Parliament is.
    Who the hell did elect its mempers ?
    They were nominated by the party and elected by the electorate who would expect them to carry out an instruction when given by the Majority of a referendum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyr View Post
    The rule book covers every eventuality, because we're talking real world not fairyland. Maybe its your sail boat without you in it after you've been thrown a life raft
    You ever met a Marie Celeste?

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    Not going to happen
    Happens more often than not in my current yacht.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freyr View Post
    ah you mean on the radio or are you using flags? but typically anything from 1 to 2 miles is safe depending on the size of vessel. I certainly wouldn't try and cut the nets and you will be a little more than emotional
    If you do not have radio you are a liability on the sea. I have cut nets before and will no hesitation in cutting them again as they constitute to potential threat to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freyr View Post
    Well the odds are on a snap election, so I guess we'll find out. But it doesn't look good for Remain...every time they open their mouths they just sound arrogant and self interested.
    Which has nothing to do with you quoting statistics of a previous Parliament that no longer exists. The UK is a representative democracy which means it's representatives get to decide; the referendum was advisory. Boris is acting unconstitutionally.

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    Theres always a first!
    Are you stupid? Do you know what precedent or custom mean? No, a first time that cannot be related to some time it happened before is what makes something unconstitutional or illegal in the UK. I believe 'custom' can proved by having been practice since the reign of Richard ll or in the memory of the oldest living resident of the region - both of which have been won in the courts. That is what 'common law' is.

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    You mean the one where Theresa the Appeasers Remain gov decided not to campaign but won anyway? I'm putting money on a landslide for Boris in his election
    She did not win - she lost her majority and had to do a deal with the DUP which cost £1bn in extra funding for Northern Ireland.



    Now it is all falling apart though. First it seems some aide - media adviser - of the Chancellor (now Sajid Javed, seems the British Indians are happy to put up the fences to European workers in the UK) a Lady who previously worked for the previous Chancellor (Philip Hammond), a Lady by the name of Sonia Khan, was grabbed in No 10 by Dominic Cummings and some of his dubious underlings and accused of 'leaking information' to the former Chancellor - who is in the same Party. Her telephone was apparently checked but no incriminating evidence of her 'leaking' to the same side was apparently found. However armed Police were called to escort the Lady from the premises. It is reported in some papers apparently that Cummings statement was "If you don't like the way I work you can f*ck off." The Chancellor later apparently had a heated discussion with the PM. Surreal one would think.

    The second instance of what is referred to as a "Culture of fear" (https://www.theguardian.com/politics...visers-sacking) relates to the Governments worry about Parliament reconvenes this week coming (pretty sure). They know that some Conservative MPs (such as the former Chancellor Philip Hammond etc thus the explosion over this Khan Lady) are not in favour of a no deal Brexit or the proroguation tactic. So according to some reports Dominic Cummings has notified Conservative MPs that if they vote for the extension legislation next week, they will be "automatically deselected" before the next election via Conservative Central Office "even if their local organisations stand by them".

    Who elected Dominic Cummings to deselect MPs? I am not sure how they can deselect an MP or a candidate even if the local Party wish them to remain. As far as I know that would break the Tory Party rules themselves. Sure there was always Central Party Office can put pressure on an MP by speaking to the local Party Chairman - that was always normal but if the local Party stand by their chosen representative that is their choice. The local Party selects - hopefully a local person who understands the area and can actually represent the views of the voters of the area - not the Central Party.

    This second threat to 'deselect' any Tory MP who votes against this bunch of hoodlums that poses as a Government and threatens it's own MPs I imagine may cause some to cross the floor to join another Party - or become independents perhaps. It is also hypocritical as apparently the former Chancellor pointed out that eight of the sitting members of the cabinet voted against Theresa May's Brexit deal. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49539327)

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    You ever met a Marie Celeste?
    Can't say as I have, is she local?


    Happens more often than not in my current yacht.
    Why doesn't that surprise me


    If you do not have radio you are a liability on the sea. I have cut nets before and will no hesitation in cutting them again as they constitute to potential threat to me.
    Radios can break down as I found out once, Which why I learned flags


    Which has nothing to do with you quoting statistics of a previous Parliament that no longer exists. The UK is a representative democracy which means it's representatives get to decide; the referendum was advisory. Boris is acting unconstitutionally.
    and parliament has been acting against the 2016 referendum. even now All Conservative MPs (total: 317)
    Remain — 176
    Leave — 138
    Not disclosed — 3


    Are you stupid?
    No and I'm not deceitful either

    Do you know what precedent or custom mean? No, a first time that cannot be related to some time it happened before is what makes something unconstitutional or illegal in the UK. I believe 'custom' can proved by having been practice since the reign of Richard ll or in the memory of the oldest living resident of the region - both of which have been won in the courts. That is what 'common law' is.
    To suit the purposes of the ruling elite who conveniently find laws going back centuries at the turn of a coin when it suits them and their skewed agenda, They're fooling nobody and neither are you. Its truly pathetic!


    She did not win - she lost her majority and had to do a deal with the DUP which cost £1bn in extra funding for Northern Ireland.
    Which was obviously her intention, Thanks for making my point for me

    Now it is all falling apart though. First it seems some aide - media adviser - of the Chancellor (now Sajid Javed, seems the British Indians are happy to put up the fences to European workers in the UK) a Lady who previously worked for the previous Chancellor (Philip Hammond), a Lady by the name of Sonia Khan, was grabbed in No 10 by Dominic Cummings and some of his dubious underlings and accused of 'leaking information' to the former Chancellor - who is in the same Party. Her telephone was apparently checked but no incriminating evidence of her 'leaking' to the same side was apparently found. However armed Police were called to escort the Lady from the premises. It is reported in some papers apparently that Cummings statement was "If you don't like the way I work you can f*ck off." The Chancellor later apparently had a heated discussion with the PM. Surreal one would think.

    The second instance of what is referred to as a "Culture of fear" (https://www.theguardian.com/politics...visers-sacking) relates to the Governments worry about Parliament reconvenes this week coming (pretty sure). They know that some Conservative MPs (such as the former Chancellor Philip Hammond etc thus the explosion over this Khan Lady) are not in favour of a no deal Brexit or the proroguation tactic. So according to some reports Dominic Cummings has notified Conservative MPs that if they vote for the extension legislation next week, they will be "automatically deselected" before the next election via Conservative Central Office "even if their local organisations stand by them".

    Who elected Dominic Cummings to deselect MPs? I am not sure how they can deselect an MP or a candidate even if the local Party wish them to remain. As far as I know that would break the Tory Party rules themselves. Sure there was always Central Party Office can put pressure on an MP by speaking to the local Party Chairman - that was always normal but if the local Party stand by their chosen representative that is their choice. The local Party selects - hopefully a local person who understands the area and can actually represent the views of the voters of the area - not the Central Party.

    This second threat to 'deselect' any Tory MP who votes against this bunch of hoodlums that poses as a Government and threatens it's own MPs I imagine may cause some to cross the floor to join another Party - or become independents perhaps. It is also hypocritical as apparently the former Chancellor pointed out that eight of the sitting members of the cabinet voted against Theresa May's Brexit deal. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49539327
    So Dom is your Boogeyman . I suppose its only fair you had one at least.
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    John Burcow the real villain and Arch remainer at the heart of the campaign to overturn the 2016 referendum result
    He'll be at it again on Tuesday, Tune in folks as the poison dwarf find new methods to scupper Brexit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyr View Post
    Its similar to the Indian tactic in Kashmir, only nobody is under house arrest , there's no curfew, no torture, no banning of demonstrations, no closing of communication with the outside world and no raspberry blowing. With the opposite effect of leaving the larger entity and not being swallowed up by it...
    Assembly there was over and it was time to go to the elections in a few months.

    Here you have parliament in session and its being suspended for running too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyr View Post
    Parliament is usually prorogued or adjourned before it is dissolved. ... This tradition was again carried out at the most recent dissolution, in May 2017. Remain are making a mountain out of a mole hill for political puposes
    Which means proroguing happens before every election ? if parliament is dissolved then its election time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Which means proroguing happens before every election ?
    yes

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    if parliament is dissolved then its election time.
    Quite possibly it will depend on what happens this week. There will however be a Queens speech in October setting out the new government's policies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyr View Post
    Parliament is usually prorogued or adjourned before it is dissolved. ... This tradition was again carried out at the most recent dissolution, in May 2017. Remain are making a mountain out of a mole hill for political puposes
    If parliament wants to oppose what ever deal materialises then nine days should be enough.

    If there is no deal those nine days will also be enough.

    So people do have a say here. Perhaps not enough time to get the best but enough to prevent an unacceptable outcome.

    Is this accurate ?

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    It is not 9 days, four I think as they reconvene Tuesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyr View Post
    Can't say as I have, is she local?
    Look it up.


    Quote Originally Posted by Freyr View Post
    Why doesn't that surprise me
    Well maybe because Victory! (or Vikki! as I call her) is 98ft of steel ketch.


    Quote Originally Posted by Freyr View Post
    Radios can break down as I found out once, Which why I learned flags
    Good for you. I'll stick with a back up radio, bilge pump, generator - whatever everytime.


    Quote Originally Posted by Freyr View Post
    and parliament has been acting against the 2016 referendum. even now All Conservative MPs (total: 317)
    Remain — 176
    Leave — 138
    Not disclosed — 3
    Do you even know how many MPs sit in the the House of Commons? Pal I have responded to this point and proved you wrong on everything including contradicting yourself. You go in circles and contradict yourself constantly. It is a waste of my time to keep responding to your BS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freyr View Post
    No and I'm not deceitful either
    I never said you were. Look it's fine if you think a no deal Brexit will be good for the UK - I think you are deeply ignorant if you believe that but fine that is your 'faith'. What is not alright to do is say that those who voted 'leave' in 2016 voted for a no deal Brexit or that when they were told that Brexit would "restore Parliamentary sovereignty" it is ok to suspend Parliament for 34 days - including Ministers who said it would be unconstitutional - to stop the peoples representatives having their say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freyr View Post
    To suit the purposes of the ruling elite who conveniently find laws going back centuries at the turn of a coin when it suits them and their skewed agenda, They're fooling nobody and neither are you. Its truly pathetic!
    See? This is the second reason why I will ignore you in future.... Boris Johnson is the elite you dimwit. Jacob Rees Mogg? You kidding? You are either being obtuse or are just plain ignorant of British society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freyr View Post
    Which was obviously her intention, Thanks for making my point for me
    This is my three strikes and out rule. So you say Theresa May won an election, I point out she lost her majority and you claim that for unbelievable reason she intended to lose the election... It's nonesense. No PM or President has ever in history wanted to lose an election which you said she won

    So that's enough of your BS for me sorry but remain stupid or blind.


    Quote Originally Posted by Freyr View Post
    So Dom is your Boogeyman . I suppose its only fair you had one at least.
    Well I am not sure that threatening staff and MPs, breaking Tory Party rules by an unelected person is democratic.

    I wish you good sailing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    Look it up.
    I don't need to, its a popular story told different by different sailors

    Well maybe because Victory! (or Vikki! as I call her) is 98ft of steel ketch.
    You should know the rules concerning fishing vessels then, but don't some how???

    Good for you. I'll stick with a back up radio, bilge pump, generator - whatever everytime.
    Not much use if the electrics are out.


    Do you even know how many MPs sit in the the House of Commons? Pal I have responded to this point and proved you wrong on everything including contradicting yourself. You go in circles and contradict yourself constantly. It is a waste of my time to keep responding to your BS.
    I quoted it in post #1646, something wrong with your eyes as well?


    I never said you were. Look it's fine if you think a no deal Brexit will be good for the UK - I think you are deeply ignorant if you believe that but fine that is your 'faith'. What is not alright to do is say that those who voted 'leave' in 2016 voted for a no deal Brexit or that when they were told that Brexit would "restore Parliamentary sovereignty" it is ok to suspend Parliament for 34 days - including Ministers who said it would be unconstitutional - to stop the peoples representatives having their say.
    Where did I say I supported a 'No deal Brexit' ?. You seem to hear and see what you want to


    See? This is the second reason why I will ignore you in future.... Boris Johnson is the elite you dimwit. Jacob Rees Mogg? You kidding? You are either being obtuse or are just plain ignorant of British society.
    Not really, just supporting the ones that will get the UK out of the EU

    This is my three strikes and out rule. So you say Theresa May won an election, I point out she lost her majority and you claim that for unbelievable reason she intended to lose the election... It's nonesense. No PM or President has ever in history wanted to lose an election.
    So why clever clogs, why pray do tell did she NOT campaign? , you either have no imagination or you have an agenda as well...which is it?


    So that's enough of your BS for me sorry but remain stupid or blind.
    I remain pleasantly open minded about most things, You might be right about Brexit but what do I care. I'm an icelandic fisherman ..lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    It is not 9 days, four I think as they reconvene Tuesday.
    I mean in total, don't know where the 9 number comes from heard it in a news show but its definitely more than four.

    That is when Parliament resumes in October.

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