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    The Battle for Mosul

    As Iraqi forces attempt to retake Mosul from Isis, Ghaith Abdul-Ahad joins their elite Golden Division on the frontline, speaking with civilians, soldiers and Isis suspects. At constant risk from Isis snipers and suicide bombers, can commander Munthadar and his men ever bring peace to Mosul? And if they do, will the exhausted civilian population trust them?

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    Tough watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tantalus View Post
    Tough watch.
    Heart breaking!....Thought it quite telling, the bit when the journalists left for a few months...Mosul slipped from the headlines...No journalists = No news

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    The latest media rapports talk of The IS troops still in Mosul being totally surrounded.
    Being a layman regarding military matters, I’ve often found the expertise I’ve lacked in this forum.
    The question this time is the advisability not giving the rats a single known “escape” route. They’re dug in, knowing that the best they can hope for is to die and gain the prize virgins. But some of them might be more pragmatic, if given the illusion of a chance.
    I seem to recall an anecdote I think was attributed to Sun Tzu when a subordinate questioned the advisability of his giving the enemy such an escape, and the general answered, ”Who said anything about letting them escape!”
    I always took that to mean that getting an desperate entrenched enemy out of his fortifications and up and running would be the optimal action in such a situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amled View Post
    The latest media rapports talk of The IS troops still in Mosul being totally surrounded.
    Being a layman regarding military matters, I’ve often found the expertise I’ve lacked in this forum.
    The question this time is the advisability not giving the rats a single known “escape” route. They’re dug in, knowing that the best they can hope for is to die and gain the prize virgins. But some of them might be more pragmatic, if given the illusion of a chance.
    I seem to recall an anecdote I think was attributed to Sun Tzu when a subordinate questioned the advisability of his giving the enemy such an escape, and the general answered, ”Who said anything about letting them escape!”
    I always took that to mean that getting an desperate entrenched enemy out of his fortifications and up and running would be the optimal action in such a situation.
    Might be worth letting them think there is an escape route....a bit like Elphinstone's army..or something similar to the retreat from Kuwait in 91...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Might be worth letting them think there is an escape route....a bit like Elphinstone's army..or something similar to the retreat from Kuwait in 91...
    Precisely! Give them the perception of an escape.
    Anyway like I said I’m a layman, and there are probably 1001 reasons for the people actually on the ground to wish them surrounded and contained.
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