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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihais View Post
    The horror,the horror...

    I assume you hosted 5-6 of those chaps in your own backyard since you call others' bs.

    As for refugee safezones,KSA and Qatar should solve this mess,or else...And they will.They started this sh!t.Time to end it.Yes,that presumes them standing up to Assad and Russia.Will work wonders for the Syrian peace process.

    That will also remove Russian and Turkish leverage on Europe.''Refugees'' are mostly a weapon for hostile nations.Yes,I give 2 fvcks about their humanity.
    Yes, I've hosted my fair share.
    How about you?

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    Looks like it took a call from Office Of Prime Minister in Ottawa to Fox News for them to change the wrongly reported fact that the shooter in Quebec City was Moroccan.

    Fox News must have "forgotten" to fix those details. Other outlets seem to have change it.
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    Why Middle Eastern nations support Trump’s immigration halt

    The US president's measure has had precisely the result he intended, giving succour to those engaged in an existential war against jihadist elements

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    Critics of President Trump’s temporary travel ban on seven Muslim nations should remember the Chinese proverb, “Kill the chicken and let the monkey watch.”

    The much-criticized measure was a warning to the governments of the Gulf States, Turkey and Pakistan, who walk a fine line between support for Western counter-terrorism efforts and concessions to jihadists. It has had precisely the result that the White House intended, as a Dubai security official indicated on January 29. As Reuters’ Zawya.com reported:

    Dubai’s deputy chief of police and public security, Lieutenant General Dhahi Khalfan Tamim, has praised US President Donald Trump’s recent decision to temporarily ban citizens from seven Muslim-majority states, saying in a series of tweets it was a ‘preventive measure’ to safeguard the country.

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    Kudos to President Trump for his brave decisions… they (these people) can only be dealt with through preventive measures,” he said in an Arabic-language tweet dated January 29 on his official Twitter account.

    “Trump banned the citizens of countries in the embrace of Iran and prevented the Iranians from entering… sound decision,” he added in another tweet…. “It is not necessary for America to host backward people, it has received enough before,” he said in one tweet. “What would a Yemini, Iraqi, Iranian, Somali or a Syrian do in America? They have destroyed their countries, they should not destroy America.”

    Counter-terrorism officials in Muslim countries contending with a jihadist minority view Trump as an ally against their domestic enemies.

    More importantly, Trump has suddenly won admiration in Erdoganist circles in Turkey, who held the Obama administration in contempt. Writing in Al-Monitor, Hurriyet Daily News columnist Mustafa Aykol reports that Trump is the hero of the pro-government press, despite (or perhaps because of) the immigration halt.

    Like the governments of Egypt and Saudi Arabia, Aykol observes, Turkey is relieved by Trump’s election victory. “President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the ultimate authority, has so far said nothing about the ‘Muslim ban.’ Moreover, his propaganda machine, consisting of at least 10 national newspapers, several TV channels and thousands of social media trolls, has also been unusually silent about the issue. Daily Sabah, the flagship of the pro-government empire, has been absolutely silent on the ban. Daily Star, another key newspaper, published only a small and neutral report. Daily Aksam did run a headline on the ban, but only with a subtitle: ‘He [Trump] must be given a chance.'”

    “It is not necessary for America to host backward people, it has received enough before”
    As cited by Aykol, Daily Sabah columnist Hilal Kaplan wrote in a Turkish-language commentary that “the American president who is responsible for destabilizing the seven banned Muslim nations was none other than former President Barack Obama. It was of course bad that American Muslims were in trouble, but what really mattered were ‘Muslims in our region.’”

    Obama helped overthrow Libya’s leader Muamar Qadaffi and Egypt’s President Mubarak, and backed Syrian jihadists against the Assad government with just enough firepower to keep the civil war going without a hope of finishing it. The US allowed the Sunni extremists who formed ISIS to operate undisturbed in the hope of directing them against Assad – a point made forcefully by Gen. Michael Flynn, head of the Defense Intelligence Agency under Obama and now Trump’s National Security adviser.

    The Obama administration’s dalliance with jihadists of various stripes helped throw the region into chaos, and contributed to the humanitarian catastrophe in Syria which has killed half a million civilians and displaced perhaps ten million. These problems turned up on Turkey’s doorstep, literally so in the case of the two million Syrian refugees now housed in Turkish refugee camps. The Syrian Civil War also raised the prospect of an independent Kurdish entity on Turkey’s border with Syria linking up with the Kurdish autonomous zone in Iraq. That is Erdogan’s nightmare: the Kurdish-majority provinces in Turkey’s southeast have a far higher fertility rate than ethnic Turks. Demographic pressures are a serious long-term threat to Turkey’s territorial integrity, as I reported in Asia Times last year.

    Turkey also suspects that the Obama administration gave aid and comfort to the military coup plotters of July 2016, who appeared inspired by the rogue Turkish cleric Fethullah Gülen. I doubt that Obama helped instigate the coup, but the Gülenists had some backing in the US intelligence community, as I reported here. Erdogan’s turn towards Moscow in the aftermath of the coup was motivated in part by his distrust of Washington, and Gen. Flynn has been at pains to return Turkey to the NATO fold.

    Although Pakistan has said nothing about the immigration ban, its actions suggest that it got the message from the White House. After years of prevaricating, Pakistani authorities finally arrested the radical Muslim cleric Hafiz Saeed, accused of planning the 2008 Mumbai massacre carried out by Pakistani jihadists.

    Through a combination of incompetence and weakness, the Obama administration contributed materially to violence in the Middle East, threatening the stability of traditional American allies such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. In addition, it encouraged the Iranians to assert their military power in the region, which the Sunni states view with alarm. If the Obama administration did not create ISIS, it stood godfather to the birth of the movement, as Gen. Flynn observed and reported during his tenure at Defense Intelligence.

    In that respect, Ms. Kaplan at the Daily Sabah is punctiliously correct to blame the Obama administration for the humanitarian and strategic catastrophe which has befallen her region during the past several years. Western pundits who protest the supposed inhumanity of Trump’s temporary immigration halt said not a word while the Obama administration steered the region towards disaster and half a million Syrians died in their country’s civil war. Their objections should be read as politically-motivated hypocrisy.

    The governments who have to deal with the consequences of American fecklessness, by contrast, want the United States to be strong and assertive. They are engaged in an existential war against jihadist elements who threaten to reduce them to chaos, and look to the United States to show determination. That is why Trump is suddenly so popular in the Middle East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxes View Post
    Seriously,
    If you want to think that way than Hitler wasnt racist as Judaism was a religion and not a single race and definitly not a nationality.
    So now a temp ban until you can seperate the terrorists from the rest equates to rounding up, enslaving and murdering millions. BTW Hitlar loved to carry on about the master race.
    Removing a single turd from the cesspool doesn't make any difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan m View Post
    I'm not convinced this refugee ban actually does anything to keep the US safe. If anyone has evidence to change my opinion on it, I'd be more than happy to take a look at it.
    Take a peak at all the fun Europe has been having after allowing millions of refugees from these countries.
    Removing a single turd from the cesspool doesn't make any difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    So now a temp ban until you can seperate the terrorists from the rest equates to rounding up, enslaving and murdering millions. BTW Hitlar loved to carry on about the master race.

    That is not what i said, ... but by all means feel free to think that is what i said if that makes you feel better.
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    44 million hits on this clip from this dumbass.
    Man, people are so brain washed. Both sides though: Liberals and GOP-Trumpets alike.
    Country need to defend their border as they see fit. Period. No question about it.

    Just find it hilarious that, these people that won't hesitate to unleash drones and obliterate entire neighbourhoods in SOMEONE ELSE nation find it surprising that the local population don't like them. In any case, his comment is really contradictory to what i have read in the past about Iraqi-American relationship. So cannot comment on his assertions about local Iraqis. But sounds like he has been there too long, hence his hatred of the "savages".

    The uneducated fool that he is, he groups everything into one basket: "these countries ...". Do these guys have anything higher than high school education ? was he born when America (white Americans and not muslims) dropped total tonnage of entire WWII on Vietnam. How did that make the Vietnamese feel about Americans? How does he feel about White House bending knee to the ultra-conservative Wahhabist in KSA for decades and counting ?
    I hope that all the rank and file in the US military are not made of the same stock ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0KMz_AUBFM
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    If the people in "entire neighbourhoods in SOMEONE ELSE nation" would stop trying to murder our civilians, they wouldn't get drone striked.

    was he born when America (white Americans and not muslims) dropped total tonnage of entire WWII on Vietnam.
    In response to armed invasion.
    Last edited by troung; 19 Feb 17, at 05:57.
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    Quote Originally Posted by troung View Post
    If the people in "entire neighbourhoods in SOMEONE ELSE nation" would stop trying to murder our civilians, they wouldn't get drone striked.

    In response to armed invasion.

    Apologies sir, i think I would need to re-read my copy of Cobra II. I clearly remember that it was US that fabricated some evidence and invaded Iraq ... not other way around. What business did American had in Eye-raq?

    What arm invasion? I dont recall a Vietnamese invasion of the continental US. But looks like, good white American Christians decided to send them all to hell anyways. What business did American had in Vietnam other than doing what the French couldn't do ?

    In any case, I can understand, with the sentiment and agree that nations ought to do what they need to do to protect their border. But not going to allow the propaganda machine to just churn out lies on YouTube and elsewhere.

    If you are ever in doubt, just listen back to what Mr Trump said during the FOX interview, where he admitted the tug-like, war-like Putin type folks governing in the US.
    If we contrast the rapid progress of this mischievous discovery of gunpowder with the slow and laborious advances of reason, science, and the arts of peace, a philosopher, according to his temper, will laugh or weep at the folly of mankind. - Edward Gibbon

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    We were the targets of terrorism before OEF.

    What arm invasion? I dont recall a Vietnamese invasion of the continental US. But looks like, good white American Christians decided to send them all to hell anyways. What business did American had in Vietnam other than doing what the French couldn't do ?
    North Vietnam was invading South Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia.

    Not sure what race has to do with stuff here; but i guess Trump is doing the refugees a favor by keeping them out this evil nation.

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