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    A useless piece from a right wing site, with no clearly defined ownership, mixing opinion with some loaded words in an opinion piece masquerading as a news article. No better than anything from a left wing site.

    Now do better and find something that supports your belief from a center site. Go ahead as there are plenty of them out there. I can find tons of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbm3fan View Post
    A useless piece from a right wing site, with no clearly defined ownership, mixing opinion with some loaded words in an opinion piece masquerading as a news article. No better than anything from a left wing site.

    Now do better and find something that supports your belief from a center site. Go ahead as there are plenty of them out there. I can find tons of them.
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    Oh, I keep forgetting

    https://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/sites/...r%20191220.pdf

    Collyer smacking the FBI upside for lying to her about Carter Page's CIA involvement.
    Purely window dressing of course, Rogers had told her long before, but nice to have it in official court documents.
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    So it’s been just over a week since Department of Justice Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz’s report was released.
    Both sides in the running debate over the Steele Dossier and whether Carter Page was a Russian agent, immediately declared vindication and began their victory laps.
    But it’s clear to any rational person who looks at what the report actually says, that one of these sides is desperately faking it.
    What exactly did Horowitz reveal in this long-anticipated report?
    The FBI wouldn’t have been able to obtain a FISA warrant on Trump campaign aide Carter Page if not for the Steele dossier, but even Christopher Steele’s main—and only—source contradicted some of the key claims in the dossier.
    The FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane team kept finding exculpatory evidence, demonstrating that the four people the FBI launched counterintelligence investigations of, Carter Page, Lt. General Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, and Paul Manafort were not Russian agents. Yet the FBI deliberately didn’t show the FISA Court any of this exculpatory evidence even as the agency requested the renewal of the warrant three times.
    The most damning part of the FBI’s efforts to conceal exculpatory evidence showing Carter Page was not a Russian agent involved tampering with a CIA email so that it communicated the exact opposite of what it originally stated: that Carter Page was a long-time CIA operational contact.
    In order to get the Page warrant approved by the FISA Court, the FBI had to both omit the real exculpatory evidence it had from the warrant while placing fake evidence in it, and this behavior continued all throughout the warrant renewal process.
    The still-unfolding Spygate scandal happened because a federal law enforcement agency accepted fake allegations from a political operative to start counterintelligence investigations of four innocent Americans and to apply for a surveillance warrant on one of them.

    It’s becoming increasingly evident that if the actual FBI rules and procedures had been followed, none of what occurred in this Spygate scandal could have happened.
    What Horowitz’s report makes clear is that the Carter Page FISA warrant had false information in it that did not go through the required Woods verification procedures—important procedures which had been set up with painstaking care to prevent precisely what occurred here.
    Despite the numerous safeguards in place to prevent it from happening, false and unverified allegations ended up being placed within an official surveillance warrant and the FISA court subsequently approved that warrant. More than 2 ½ years of assertions in the media about the Carter Page warrant have now been exposed as wrong. And that’s the charitable interpretation.
    There is absolutely no doubt that at the time the warrant was up for its first renewal in January of 2017, the Crossfire Hurricane team was sitting on two explosive pieces of evidence that would destroy their entire probable cause case if they followed the proper procedures and put it in the renewal application.
    And rather than own up to the embarrassing fact that they’d never made any real attempt to verify these dossier allegations before making use of them, these FBI team members decided to keep pressing forward while hiding all of this inconvenient exculpatory evidence from the court.
    If they admitted that they knew Page had been a source for the CIA and that Steele’s main source himself disputed some of the allegations in the Steele dossier, it means they would not have gotten a FISA renewal.

    Their window into reading the electronic communications of what by then had become the Trump presidency would have slammed shut if the Court refused the renewal. And it appears they were truly desperate to keep that window open at all costs.

    Why Were They So Desperate To Continue The Surveillance?

    Here’s my personal take as to why these now-former FBI officials were so desperate to keep that window of electronic surveillance from slamming shut.
    They needed that window to stay open so they could continue spying on Trump and his top people because they didn’t have anything yet.
    You see, they fully expected Trump to be just as corrupt, if not more so, as previous presidents.
    And after three months of reading all the electronic communications of everyone involved in the Trump transition team, and then the incoming Trump administration, to their amazement, they still had nothing.
    Where were all the emails and phone conversations and text messages they’d expected about the selling of judgeships and ambassadorships? Where were all the pay-for-play deals? Why couldn’t they find any talk of it?
    They ended up vainly hoping if they continued intercepting all the electronic communications of Trump and top Trump administration officials, they’d finally come across something they could use against him.


    Trump Knew He Was Being Spied On

    How about this: Trump knew well before he assumed office he and all his people were being spied on and that all their communications were being intercepted and unmasked as well as transcribed, placed in reports and then circulated at the highest levels of the Obama administration.
    Many assume Trump didn’t get a heads up about the spying until Rep. Devin Nunes called a press conference in March of 2017, but this overlooks the fact that after a visit from then-NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers at Trump Tower in late November 2016, that very day Trump suddenly announced he was moving his transition team from Trump Tower to his golf resort in Bedminster, New Jersey.
    These Spygate plotters couldn’t find anything because there was nothing to find. Not only was Trump not doing the kind of corrupt deals the eavesdroppers expected him to be doing, everyone in the incoming Trump administration knew they were being spied on.
    They couldn’t find any evidence of Trump’s corruption because, as mind-boggling as this might be for some people to hear, Trump and his team weren’t corrupt.

    The FBI kept their surveillance going all the way through the last renewal in July of 2017, which didn’t expire until September. And they found nothing in all that time, which I’m certain shocked them.
    At the bitter, bitter end they had nothing they could hand off to the Mueller Special Counsel when it started up in June of 2017. After almost 11 months of surveillance.
    Because if all of this electronic surveillance and all the intercepting and unmasking and transcribing that went on had uncovered any real Trump corruption, you’d have seen it long before now.
    Even now we’re all watching this impeachment farce unfold in Congress because they can’t find any real crimes to take Trump down with, so they are forced to invent fake crimes in their crusade to keep him from getting reelected.
    It’s not working.

    Brian Cates is a writer based in South Texas and the author of “Nobody Asked For My Opinion…But Here It Is Anyway!” He can be reached on Twitter @drawandstrike.
    Views expressed in this article are the opinions of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.
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    and of course now we've died of boredom through the Mueller nothingburger and Horowitz's investigation of everything-already-public-knowledge, Lindsay Graham is now free to act.

    Graham, Durham, Barr.

    The next twelve months are going to be such fun.

    Graham Says He’ll Call People Who Signed Trump Campaign FISA Warrants
    By Jack Phillips

    Senate Judiciary Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said he would call in every person who signed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Court warrants to surveil former Trump campaign aide Carter Page.
    He told Fox News: “I’m going to call every person who signed the warrant application. I’m going to find out why [John] Brennan,” the former CIA director, spoke with former Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) in September 2016 “to talk about the investigation.”
    “We’re going to look long and hard at FISA abuse,” he said, adding that “I’m looking at [FBI Director] Christopher Wray to fire somebody at the FBI.”
    “Somebody needs to go to jail,” Graham added, “and I’m looking at [U.S. Attorney John Durham] to hold people criminally accountable for the laws they broke.”
    Fox News host Maria Bartiromo noted that former FBI Director James Comey signed several FISA applications, Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates signed it once, and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed the fourth FISA warrant.
    “Does President Obama know about the counter-intelligence surveillance of the Trump campaign?” Graham asked. “How much information was provided to Susan Rice,” Obama’s National Security Advisor.
    “To the American people, you deserve better than this,” Graham said. “Every American should be worried about FISA.”
    Graham’s comments come after Attorney General William Barr criticized Comey after he tried to downplay his role in the investigation into the Trump 2016 presidential campaign.
    Comey earlier this month said that he was “seven layers” removed from the counterintelligence operation to surveil Page for as long as a year. Barr, Comey, and Graham were responding to the findings of Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s report that found 17 “significant errors” in how the FBI applied to surveil Page.
    “The idea that this was seven layers below him is simply not true,” Barr told Fox News on Wednesday. “I think that one of the problems with what happened was precisely that they pulled the investigation up to the executive floors, and it was run and bird-dogged by a very small group of very high-level officials,” he added.
    Comey had previously defended the FBI’s use of the FISA courts during the investigation into the Trump campaign, but Horowitz found that the FBI’s three investigative teams made errors and omissions when applying for the Page warrant, and the inspector general, in a Senate hearing, blasted the FBI’s “entire chain of command.”
    Comey was in charge of the FBI when the surveillance campaign, which was named Operation Crossfire Hurricane, was started.
    “He’s right, I was wrong,” Comey told ‘Fox News Sunday‘ on the FBI’s handling of the warrant application before, adding that “I was overconfident as director in our procedures.”
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    A lovely summary of how Title I (Carter Page) FISA warrants work, along with 702's (various sundry Obama officials)

    https://themarketswork.com/2018/04/0...d-section-702/

    What it doesn't mention is that each of his digital contacts could then in turn be monitored as secondary suspects, and their contacts in turn. Hence the Obama admin's massive increase in 702's during the campaign and transition.
    It's called the two hop rule
    https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-new...license-to-hop
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    Sen. Hawley: “Was it your conclusion that political bias did not affect any part of the Page investigation, any part of Crossfire Hurricane?”
    IG Horowitz: “We did not reach that conclusion.”
    Sen. Hawley: “Because I could have sworn, in fact, I know for a fact that I’ve heard that today from this committee. That’s not your conclusion?”
    IG Horowitz: “We have been very careful in the connection with the FISA’s for the reasons you mentioned to not reach that conclusion in part – as we’ve talked about earlier – the alteration of the email, the text messages associated with the individual who did that, and our inability to explain or understand, to get good explanations so that we could understand why this all happened.”

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    The FISA court is of course no longer even pretending to conceal its complicity in a political bias toward the Trump campaign/presidency.
    This is the man the court has appointed to investigate the lies used to obtain the four warrants.

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/w...ist=associated

    His own lies are already public record as close as 10 Dec,
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    Horowitz himself contradicting Kris's assertions both prior to and after this tweet.

    The purpose of course is to keep Durham in check, preventing any releases due to 'ongoing investigations'.
    Mueller did that successfully for two years, now it's Kris's job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    Check source.
    If the web sites you routinely go to for bias confirmation consider The Epoch Times a valid, reliable source, reconsider using those sites.

    If The Epoch Times is your primary source, reconsider your life decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOR View Post
    Check source.
    If the web sites you routinely go to for bias confirmation consider The Epoch Times a valid, reliable source, reconsider using those sites.

    If The Epoch Times is your primary source, reconsider your life decisions.
    Does not make the bolded quotes any less true. Pari is looking for the raw intel, not the evals nor the conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Does not make the bolded quotes any less true. Pari is looking for the raw intel, not the evals nor the conclusions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    Sen. Hawley: “Was it your conclusion that political bias did not affect any part of the Page investigation, any part of Crossfire Hurricane?”
    IG Horowitz: “We did not reach that conclusion.”
    Sen. Hawley: “Because I could have sworn, in fact, I know for a fact that I’ve heard that today from this committee. That’s not your conclusion?”
    IG Horowitz: “We have been very careful in the connection with the FISA’s for the reasons you mentioned to not reach that conclusion in part – as we’ve talked about earlier – the alteration of the email, the text messages associated with the individual who did that, and our inability to explain or understand, to get good explanations so that we could understand why this all happened.”
    The question that should have been asked is "Did you investigate if political bias affected the investigation?"

    From my understanding that was not within the scope of the IG's investigation. The investigation was about the FISA warrant. Not the Page investigation. So the question asked was meaningless but makes a good soundbite for Fox News
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    The question that should have been asked is "Did you investigate if political bias affected the investigation?"

    From my understanding that was not within the scope of the IG's investigation. The investigation was about the FISA warrant. Not the Page investigation. So the question asked was meaningless but makes a good soundbite for Fox News
    Yes indeed, except that it directly counters this statement, by Kris.
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    Meanwhile, things move apace (finally) with Flynn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    Nice to see you again Sir
    Always good to read your thoughts

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