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    Interview with the British guy who wrote the Trump dossier; http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-raising-stuff

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    Excellent summary on Muscovite strategy and attempts to undermine international law by Samantha Power;


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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    Excellent summary on Muscovite strategy and attempts to undermine international law by Samantha Power
    But lacking on how to deal with Russia ? and Putin in particular.

    I see the term 'russian foreign policy' on the screen throughout the talk. She says engage with the Russian people. The options to do that have been curbed. The Russian people aren't in charge of their country, their elections are regularly rigged. There is an elite that is in control that has no answers how ten years of triple digit oil barrel prices has not translated into an improvement in the condition of the masses.

    We have an administration in office now that hopefully can tackle that question.

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    The CIA under Brennan was a mess. The rank and file referred to Brennan as "comrade". This is probably due to the fact that Brennan voted for a communist for President in the 1976 elections. As if, Jimmy Carter was not liberal enough. He was an Obama political appointee, and showed his true colors when he called out the President-elect in public to try and diminish his capabilities and reduce his credibility. That is not a very patriotic way to behave and leads me to believe there may be more issues yet to come.

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    We have all no doubt had pet names for our bosses but I am not sure they necessarily say anything about the bosses performance. I had a Boss we used to call "The Kaiser" due to his German heritage but he was a first rate guy.

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    Looks like the war is heating up

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/tr...17-2?r=US&IR=T
    President Donald Trump continued to escalate his war with the intelligence community on Thursday, tweeting that “low-life leakers” who disclose details of “classified” investigations to the press “will be caught.”

    “Leaking, and even illegal classified leaking, has been a big problem in Washington for years. Failing @nytimes (and others) must apologise!” Trump tweeted. “The spotlight has finally been put on the low-life leakers! They will be caught!

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/1....co/jv0K01g3po

    WASHINGTON — President Trump plans to assign a New York billionaire to lead a broad review of American intelligence agencies, according to administration officials, an effort that members of the intelligence community fear could curtail their independence and reduce the flow of information that contradicts the president’s worldview.
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    Wikileaks Vault 7.
    Another profound revelation is that the CIA can engage in "false flag" cyberattacks which portray Russia as the assailant. Discussing the CIA's Remote Devices Branch's UMBRAGE group, Wikileaks' source notes that it "collects and maintains a substantial library of attack techniques 'stolen' from malware produced in other states including the Russian Federation.

    "With UMBRAGE and related projects the CIA cannot only increase its total number of attack types but also misdirect attribution by leaving behind the "fingerprints" of the groups that the attack techniques were stolen from. UMBRAGE components cover keyloggers, password collection, webcam capture, data destruction, persistence, privilege escalation, stealth, anti-virus (PSP) avoidance and survey techniques."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    Another profound revelation is that the CIA can engage in "false flag" cyberattacks which portray Russia as the assailant. Discussing the CIA's Remote Devices Branch's UMBRAGE group, Wikileaks' source notes that it "collects and maintains a substantial library of attack techniques 'stolen' from malware produced in other states including the Russian Federation.
    Is this a profound revelation? Committing a dastardly deed and arranging the evidence to point in a direction of your choosing is classic spy stuff.

    Would the alternative be to leave an American flag pin or perhaps a business card to prevent any confusion?

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    what all this is not-so-subtly hinting at is that the "deep state" has been trying to make Trump look bad via false flag attacks.

    Alex Jones must be creaming his hose right now, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    what all this is not-so-subtly hinting at is that the "deep state" has been trying to make Trump look bad via false flag attacks.
    I see the implication, I just can't get past the absurdity of the "profound revelation"...

    Thank God we have Wikileaks to tell us that spy agencies are capable of deception and misdirection! In the shocking next episode they'll probably reveal that hospitals cut their patients open, and that militaries around the world are preparing to kill thousands of people! /gasp
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    what all this is not-so-subtly hinting at is that the "deep state" has been trying to make Trump look bad via false flag attacks.

    Alex Jones must be creaming his hose right now, lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by SteveDaPirate View Post
    I see the implication, I just can't get past the absurdity of the "profound revelation"...

    Thank God we have Wikileaks to tell us that spy agencies are capable of deception and misdirection! In the shocking next episode they'll probably reveal that hospitals cut their patients open, and that militaries around the world are preparing to kill thousands of people! /gasp
    Hayden has been foaming at the mouth for months.There is no supervision of CIA activity.
    You fund an autonomous assassins group with the notion that they're pointed outward toward the rest of the world but at least a section of that has been aiming itself at the Trump organisation for the last six months. The wiki papers are credible, the golden shower dossier and the rest of the Ruskies under the bed is CIA generated.

    We now know the exact methodology and malware you (America) use to false flag cyber attacks, assassinate journalists and other undesirables that aren't politically expedient to drone and then try to blame it on other countries.

    With Hayden and his appointees foaming at the mouth, that organisation is now pointed inward toward you. Trump is the target this time, any number of American agencies deemed unsatisfactory will be next.
    Laugh it up boys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    Hayden has been foaming at the mouth for months.There is no supervision of CIA activity.
    You fund an autonomous assassins group with the notion that they're pointed outward toward the rest of the world but at least a section of that has been aiming itself at the Trump organisation for the last six months. The wiki papers are credible, the golden shower dossier and the rest of the Ruskies under the bed is CIA generated.

    We now know the exact methodology and malware you (America) use to false flag cyber attacks, assassinate journalists and other undesirables that aren't politically expedient to drone and then try to blame it on other countries.

    With Hayden and his appointees foaming at the mouth, that organisation is now pointed inward toward you. Trump is the target this time, any number of American agencies deemed unsatisfactory will be next.
    Laugh it up boys.
    Yet, he survived 10 years on top spots there and did nothing to pacify the agencies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    Hayden has been foaming at the mouth for months.There is no supervision of CIA activity.
    You fund an autonomous assassins group with the notion that they're pointed outward toward the rest of the world but at least a section of that has been aiming itself at the Trump organisation for the last six months. The wiki papers are credible, the golden shower dossier and the rest of the Ruskies under the bed is CIA generated.

    We now know the exact methodology and malware you (America) use to false flag cyber attacks, assassinate journalists and other undesirables that aren't politically expedient to drone and then try to blame it on other countries.

    With Hayden and his appointees foaming at the mouth, that organisation is now pointed inward toward you. Trump is the target this time, any number of American agencies deemed unsatisfactory will be next.
    Laugh it up boys.
    The wiki papers are credible, but they are clearly there to peddle a narrative. The timing is not a coincidence.

    As for Russian involvement, it is generally accepted that the Russians were involved in the DNC hack, even by Trump. The question is the extent of their involvement and the thought of possible collusion with the Trump administration. There is a current congressional investigation ongoing.

    You are free to call it a witch hunt, but I think there is plenty of reason to be concerned given how friendly Trump and his administration has been to Russia, and just Russia, to the detriment even of our ties with other allies, or using our standing to help Russia in business deals with 3rd parties ( Japan ).

    On the CIA, would you like executive commissars or something? Not sure what sort of supervision you are talking about. The head is an executive appointment, and the nature of the CIA's purpose makes transparency with the public a very difficult thing to do without endangering that task.
    Regardless, this likely harms CIA intelligence gathering efforts abroad. If it truly is their entire hacking arsenal, then the damage will take years to recover from. Bad for America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    at least a section of that has been aiming itself at the Trump organisation for the last six months.
    This is the part I don't see any evidence for. There's plenty of information about tools that the CIA supposedly has at it's disposal, but I don't see any evidence about how those tools have been used.

    Jumping to the conclusion that Russian interference in the US elections is a CIA fabrication is going to need some pretty bulletproof evidence of actual wrongdoing, not just "well they coulda done it". Evidence of Russian interference has surfaced from a number of American agencies outside the CIA that wield just as much power in their own fields, as well as the intelligence services of several NATO members.

    That doesn't somehow go out the window because the CIA has a host of hacking/malware/exploit tools at their disposal.
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    So, here we are two years later

    One can imagine the unspoken question hanging in the darkness during the January 2017 ride back to the airport. A small gaggle1 of FBI agents had just concluded their long-overdue interview with Christopher Steele’s primary sub-source. The silence must have been deafening. Steele had tried to conceal2 his source from the FBI. But the FBI knew his identity and set up an interview behind Steele’s back, and the interview contradicted several Steele assertions. The downcast agents waited for somebody to ask the question on all of their minds: “Now what?”
    The right answer would have been to admit to the court that Steele was an unreliable source who exaggerates and lies and put an end to spying on Americans in pursuit of the mirage of Trump’s alleged collusion with Russia.

    When presented one last opportunity to do the right thing, the FBI instead pushed harder for their now-discredited hypothesis justifying the investigation. Peter Strzok had promised his lover, Lisa Page, he would “save” the country from Donald Trump. Given a choice between bringing the FBI back into the light of the Constitution or the darkness of blind hatred of Donald Trump, the conspirators choose darkness. It was at this precise moment that the FBI left behind any plausible deniability of “mistake” or “sloppiness.” From this point on, the FBI’s participation in the Trump-Russia collusion hoax became willful and intentional.

    This is the FBI’s darkest hour. The next time the FBI prepared a warrant renewal application, it misrepresented the interview to make it appear as though the source confirmed Steele’s fairytale. It wasn’t a mistake. It was a deliberate defrauding of a court.

    According to the recent inspector general’s report on the conduct of the FBI’s collusion investigation, several agents met with Steele’s primary source in early 2017 in order finally to get to the bottom of the Russia collusion claims Steele initiated. It would be another four months before then-Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein would launch the reign of terror known as the “Mueller investigation.” Countless Americans would have their privacy invaded by 500 search warrants, 2,800 subpoenas, and 500 FBI interrogations.

    Every one of those 500 search warrants must have been supported by an affidavit swearing the FBI had probable cause to suspect Trump was conspiring with Russia to affect the outcome of the 2016 election. Since we now know the FBI deceived the court in the Carter Page warrant applications at the dawn of the Trump/Russia collusion investigation, we have reason to wonder about the next 500 warrants issued in the same investigation.
    Remember when Roger Stone was dragged from his house at gunpoint to search for evidence of Russia collusion? That was one of 500 warrants executed. The probe terrorized its political enemies at a rate of approximately one warrant per business day.

    Even before Steele’s primary sub-source disavowed the entire smear against Trump, there had been signs.

    The inspector general recounted how the FBI’s spies (confidential human sources) already had approached Papadopolous, Page, and at least one unnamed high-level Trump campaign official.3 Without knowing he was being interviewed by an FBI informant, Page said he never met4 Manafort and didn’t know two of the three Russians5 with whom Steele accused him of conspiring.
    Papadopolous, who also didn’t know he was being interviewed by an informant, insisted6 that there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. These revelations directly contradicted Steele’s reporting. Which is why the FBI kept them from the FISA court.

    The FBI had gone out on a limb, betting that evidence would materialize like a lucky card completing the inside straight laid out by the too-good-to-be-true Steele reporting. But these increasingly slim hopes were completely dispelled in January 2017. And the bad news came shortly after the FBI filed the Carter Page FISA Renewal. The FBI/Steele source interview should have happened before the first warrant application to spy on Carter Page. But the FBI wanted so badly to believe Trump was guilty that it didn’t bother taking this basic corroborating measure until after the first Page warrant renewal in January 2017.

    The results of the interview must have inspired panic and dread in the Russia collusion investigators. Steele’s primary source told the FBI that he had not even seen what Steele fed to the FBI. In reaction to the Buzzfeed account of the Steele dossier, he said Steele misstated or exaggerated the information he gave to Steele. The stories of Trump’s sexual activities in a Moscow hotel were never confirmed and were merely the result of “rumor and speculation.” Steele told the FBI that the Russians offered Carter Page a bribe of a 19 percent stake in Russian energy giant Rosneft in return for securing the lifting of sanctions against Russia. But Steele’s source denied ever telling Steele this.

    Later, Steele’s source would tell the FBI that he never expected Steele to put their conversations into reports and represent them as facts. They were just, “word of mouth and hearsay . . . conversation that he had with friends over beers;” and that some of the information, such as allegations about Trump’s sexual activities, were statements he/she heard made in “jest.”

    Steele, the inspector general concluded, did not know whether any of the information in his dossier was reliable. As Horowitz’s report notes, “it could have been multiple layers of hearsay upon hearsay.”7
    Steele’s report very nearly led to an electoral disaster. The inspector general told us that the fools leading our intelligence agencies appended his reporting to the national intelligence assessment. In December 2016, shortly before the electors formally cast their votes to make Trump the president-elect, the Clinton campaign manager made an appeal to the Intelligence Community to provide an “intelligence briefing” to the electors. He meant the Steele dossier which Clinton allies knew to be in the hands of the FBI.

    Of course they knew. The Clinton campaign bought the dossier and paid Steele to give it to the FBI. Without any way for the Trump campaign effectively to rebut the smears, it’s hard to see how the electors could have resisted officials peddling Steele’s smears as official intelligence.
    Horowitz revealed, “[t]he Primary Sub-source also informed [the FBI] that Steele tasked him/her after the 2016 U.S. elections to find corroboration for the election reporting and that the Primary Sub-source could find none. According to WFO Agent 1, during an interview in May 2017, the Primary Sub-source said the corroboration was ‘zero.’ The Primary Sub-source had reported the same conclusion to the Crossfire Hurricane team members who interviewed him in January 2017.”8

    The hoax conspirators might have started as unwitting patsies to Steele. But their participation soon became intentional . . . and criminal.
    The information began to flow backward as FBI agents started sharing intelligence with Steele.9 This further contaminated Steele as a source and may have led to the FBI relying on their own speculation after Steele repackaged it and gave it back to them.

    It is also particularly alarming because “by no later than November 21, 2016, Ohr had advised FBI officials that Steele’s reporting had been given to the Hillary Clinton campaign,”10 meaning that Steele might have also passed along what the FBI told him about her political opponent. FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith altered11 evidence to fool the court into extending the Carter Page warrant. As I wrote, Clinesmith changed an email regarding Carter Page to hide the fact that the warrant against Page was totally unnecessary. Carter Page voluntarily provided intelligence on Russia to the CIA. The FBI is legally required to use the least intrusive method possible.12
    Since Page truthfully and completely would have answered any questions the FBI asked, it became necessary to hide this cooperation from the FISA court in order to get their warrant.

    Thus, before Mueller was even appointed, the FBI had reached a dead end. They went to the horse’s mouth, Steele’s primary sub-source, only to find out that the source himself couldn’t vouch for the information. Nevertheless, on May 17, 2017, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein appointed Robert Mueller to investigate, “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump.”

    By this point, the FBI had already interviewed Michael Flynn, George Papadopolous, and Carter Page—either directly or through undercover informants. It knew then what its lead agent, Peter Strzok, wrote to Lisa Page at the inception of the Mueller probe, “you and I both know the odds are nothing. If I thought it was likely I’d be there no question. I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern there’s no big there there.”
    The Mueller investigation was never about investigating anything. Rosenstein’s signature on the last Carter Page warrant extension application sealed his fate as a co-conspirator. No wonder he threatened congressional staffers to keep his secret safe.

    As I wrote in 2018, the Justice Department turned the Russia investigation into a puzzle never to be solved. It soon became apparent why the investigation was not reaching a swift conclusion. It became a way of keeping key facts hidden rather than getting to the bottom of anything. I wrote, “DOJ cited the ‘ongoing’ nature of the investigation to block Congressional Oversight here, here, here, and here to name just a few examples.”

    Mueller was a figurehead. At the end of the probe that he supposedly supervised, he knew little about the report that bore his name. The real probe masters were insider Justice Department attorneys, including some who were in on it from the very beginning. Names like Andrew Weissman and Brandon Van Grack were the real leaders, the latter of whom repositioned himself to reprise his abuses in his new powerful role as the chief of the Justice Department’s Foreign Agent Registration Act unit.Rumor has it that Van Grack already has a new project underway to target the president’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani. Viva la resistance, 2020 edition.

    In the early months of the Trump Administration, the whiff of a coup was in the air. Talk of deposing Trump using the 25th Amendment was given serious currency by both the FBI and Rosenstein himself. Yet Rosenstein dithered and hesitated, ultimately deciding to hand-off the assault on Trump to Mueller.

    Instead of a quick-moving coup, the plotters got a slow-moving campaign of harassment and resistance to the peaceful transfer of power to the duly-elected president. This is not what Steele wanted and in August of 2017, Steele tried to rejoin the “get Trump” team to hurry things along. As The Hill reported, “Steele mentioned Mueller by name to Ohr. And the intelligence operative tried to instill a sense of urgency, suggesting he had new intel that could assist the Russia case. ‘There are some new, perishable, operational opportunities which we do not want to miss out on,’ he wrote.”

    But Rosenstein wanted to hedge his bets. Or perhaps he suspected the FBI had lied to him and might be using the ongoing Mueller investigation to cover its tracks. In May of 2018, “in response to Rosenstein’s request, the OIG added to the scope of this review to determine whether the FBI infiltrated or surveilled the Trump campaign. Accordingly, we examined the FBI’s use of [FBI spies] in the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, up through November 8, 2016 (the date of the 2016 U.S. elections) to evaluate whether the FBI had placed any [spies] within the Trump campaign or tasked any CHSs to report on the Trump campaign.”13

    The business of the FBI is to protect and defend our Constitution. And how is business? The FBI is operating at a loss if the preservation of the Constitution is its objective.

    The Constitution provides, “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.” We know that the FBI violated its oath or affirmation in securing the Carter Page warrants. That’s what each of those 17 “mistakes” noted by the Horowitz report is: a deception to gain a warrant. A warrant is only as valid as the truth of the information relied upon by the judge issuing it.

    Adding to the injury of Mueller’s probe is the parallel public relations operation it apparently coordinated against the president using false and misleading information sourced to “officials familiar with the investigation.” Leak after leak after leak smeared the president and the people around him. It was lawless and un-American.
    It’s the greatest scandal in U.S. legal history. Most chilling of all is that the current FBI chief, Christopher Wray, recently shrugged-off FBI agents lying to the FISA court. He said of the damning Horowitz report that, in his mind, what was “important that the inspector general found that, in this particular instance, the investigation was opened with appropriate predication and authorization.”

    If that’s what he believes and thinks is important, then the FBI is truly constitutionally bankrupt. Russia is ruled by an alumnus of the FBI’s Russian counterpart. Our Constitution won’t protect us unless our own cops with guns respect it. After 2016, one wonders whether the FBI looks upon Vladimir Putin with fear—or envy.
    1: Pages 186-187: “During the FBI’s January interview, at which Case Agent 1, the Supervisory Intel Analyst, and representatives of NSD were present.”

    2: Ibid.: “The FBI employed multiple methods in an effort to ascertain the identities of the sub-sources within the network, including meeting with Steele in October 2016 (prior to him being closed for cause) and conducting various investigative inquiries….by January 2017 the FBI was able to identify and arrange a meeting with the Primary Sub-source.”

    3: Page 3: “We determined that the Crossfire Hurricane team tasked several CHSs and Undercover Employees (UCEs) during the 2016 presidential campaign, which resulted in interactions with Carter Page, Papadopoulos, and a high-level Trump campaign official who was not a subject of the investigation. All of these interactions were consensually monitored and recorded by the FBI.”

    4: Page 127: “During the meeting in August, Carter Page stated, among other things, that he had “literally never met” or “said one word to” Paul Manafort, and that Manafort had not responded to any of Page’s emails.”

    5: Page 146: “…in October 2016, before the FBI obtained the initial FISA authority targeting Carter Page, an FBI CHS had a consensually monitored meeting with Page….Page said that the ‘core lie’ concerned ‘Sechin [who] is the main guy, the head of Rosneft…[and] there’s another guy I had never even heard of, you know he’s like, in the inner circle.’ When asked about that person’s name, Page said “’ can’t even remember, it’s just so outrageous.’

    6: Page 80: “[W]hen the CHS asked Papadopoulos whether help ‘from a third party like Wikileaks for example or some other third party like the Russians, could be incredibly helpful’ in securing a campaign victory, Papadopoulos responded that the ‘campaign, of course, [does not] advocate for this type of activity because at the end of the day it’s . . . illegal.’ Papadopoulos also stated that the campaign is not ‘reaching out to Wikileaks or to whoever it is to tell them please work with us, collaborate because we don’t, no one does that . . . .’

    7: Page 188.

    8: Ibid.

    9: Pages 113-114: “Case Agent 2 said that he believed he had authority from CD to discuss classified information with Steele, though he agreed that in the ‘heat of the moment’ he made a mistake and provided more information than he should have provided about the role of the FFG. He explained that his disclosure resulted from ‘trying in good faith to accomplish the mission.’”

    10: Page 259.

    11: Pages 254-255.

    12: Page 18.

    13: Page 9.
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