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    Interview with the British guy who wrote the Trump dossier; http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-raising-stuff

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    Excellent summary on Muscovite strategy and attempts to undermine international law by Samantha Power;


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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    Excellent summary on Muscovite strategy and attempts to undermine international law by Samantha Power
    But lacking on how to deal with Russia ? and Putin in particular.

    I see the term 'russian foreign policy' on the screen throughout the talk. She says engage with the Russian people. The options to do that have been curbed. The Russian people aren't in charge of their country, their elections are regularly rigged. There is an elite that is in control that has no answers how ten years of triple digit oil barrel prices has not translated into an improvement in the condition of the masses.

    We have an administration in office now that hopefully can tackle that question.

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    The CIA under Brennan was a mess. The rank and file referred to Brennan as "comrade". This is probably due to the fact that Brennan voted for a communist for President in the 1976 elections. As if, Jimmy Carter was not liberal enough. He was an Obama political appointee, and showed his true colors when he called out the President-elect in public to try and diminish his capabilities and reduce his credibility. That is not a very patriotic way to behave and leads me to believe there may be more issues yet to come.

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    We have all no doubt had pet names for our bosses but I am not sure they necessarily say anything about the bosses performance. I had a Boss we used to call "The Kaiser" due to his German heritage but he was a first rate guy.

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    Looks like the war is heating up

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/tr...17-2?r=US&IR=T
    President Donald Trump continued to escalate his war with the intelligence community on Thursday, tweeting that “low-life leakers” who disclose details of “classified” investigations to the press “will be caught.”

    “Leaking, and even illegal classified leaking, has been a big problem in Washington for years. Failing @nytimes (and others) must apologise!” Trump tweeted. “The spotlight has finally been put on the low-life leakers! They will be caught!

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/1....co/jv0K01g3po

    WASHINGTON — President Trump plans to assign a New York billionaire to lead a broad review of American intelligence agencies, according to administration officials, an effort that members of the intelligence community fear could curtail their independence and reduce the flow of information that contradicts the president’s worldview.
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    Wikileaks Vault 7.
    Another profound revelation is that the CIA can engage in "false flag" cyberattacks which portray Russia as the assailant. Discussing the CIA's Remote Devices Branch's UMBRAGE group, Wikileaks' source notes that it "collects and maintains a substantial library of attack techniques 'stolen' from malware produced in other states including the Russian Federation.

    "With UMBRAGE and related projects the CIA cannot only increase its total number of attack types but also misdirect attribution by leaving behind the "fingerprints" of the groups that the attack techniques were stolen from. UMBRAGE components cover keyloggers, password collection, webcam capture, data destruction, persistence, privilege escalation, stealth, anti-virus (PSP) avoidance and survey techniques."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    Another profound revelation is that the CIA can engage in "false flag" cyberattacks which portray Russia as the assailant. Discussing the CIA's Remote Devices Branch's UMBRAGE group, Wikileaks' source notes that it "collects and maintains a substantial library of attack techniques 'stolen' from malware produced in other states including the Russian Federation.
    Is this a profound revelation? Committing a dastardly deed and arranging the evidence to point in a direction of your choosing is classic spy stuff.

    Would the alternative be to leave an American flag pin or perhaps a business card to prevent any confusion?

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    what all this is not-so-subtly hinting at is that the "deep state" has been trying to make Trump look bad via false flag attacks.

    Alex Jones must be creaming his hose right now, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    what all this is not-so-subtly hinting at is that the "deep state" has been trying to make Trump look bad via false flag attacks.
    I see the implication, I just can't get past the absurdity of the "profound revelation"...

    Thank God we have Wikileaks to tell us that spy agencies are capable of deception and misdirection! In the shocking next episode they'll probably reveal that hospitals cut their patients open, and that militaries around the world are preparing to kill thousands of people! /gasp
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    what all this is not-so-subtly hinting at is that the "deep state" has been trying to make Trump look bad via false flag attacks.

    Alex Jones must be creaming his hose right now, lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by SteveDaPirate View Post
    I see the implication, I just can't get past the absurdity of the "profound revelation"...

    Thank God we have Wikileaks to tell us that spy agencies are capable of deception and misdirection! In the shocking next episode they'll probably reveal that hospitals cut their patients open, and that militaries around the world are preparing to kill thousands of people! /gasp
    Hayden has been foaming at the mouth for months.There is no supervision of CIA activity.
    You fund an autonomous assassins group with the notion that they're pointed outward toward the rest of the world but at least a section of that has been aiming itself at the Trump organisation for the last six months. The wiki papers are credible, the golden shower dossier and the rest of the Ruskies under the bed is CIA generated.

    We now know the exact methodology and malware you (America) use to false flag cyber attacks, assassinate journalists and other undesirables that aren't politically expedient to drone and then try to blame it on other countries.

    With Hayden and his appointees foaming at the mouth, that organisation is now pointed inward toward you. Trump is the target this time, any number of American agencies deemed unsatisfactory will be next.
    Laugh it up boys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    Hayden has been foaming at the mouth for months.There is no supervision of CIA activity.
    You fund an autonomous assassins group with the notion that they're pointed outward toward the rest of the world but at least a section of that has been aiming itself at the Trump organisation for the last six months. The wiki papers are credible, the golden shower dossier and the rest of the Ruskies under the bed is CIA generated.

    We now know the exact methodology and malware you (America) use to false flag cyber attacks, assassinate journalists and other undesirables that aren't politically expedient to drone and then try to blame it on other countries.

    With Hayden and his appointees foaming at the mouth, that organisation is now pointed inward toward you. Trump is the target this time, any number of American agencies deemed unsatisfactory will be next.
    Laugh it up boys.
    Yet, he survived 10 years on top spots there and did nothing to pacify the agencies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    Hayden has been foaming at the mouth for months.There is no supervision of CIA activity.
    You fund an autonomous assassins group with the notion that they're pointed outward toward the rest of the world but at least a section of that has been aiming itself at the Trump organisation for the last six months. The wiki papers are credible, the golden shower dossier and the rest of the Ruskies under the bed is CIA generated.

    We now know the exact methodology and malware you (America) use to false flag cyber attacks, assassinate journalists and other undesirables that aren't politically expedient to drone and then try to blame it on other countries.

    With Hayden and his appointees foaming at the mouth, that organisation is now pointed inward toward you. Trump is the target this time, any number of American agencies deemed unsatisfactory will be next.
    Laugh it up boys.
    The wiki papers are credible, but they are clearly there to peddle a narrative. The timing is not a coincidence.

    As for Russian involvement, it is generally accepted that the Russians were involved in the DNC hack, even by Trump. The question is the extent of their involvement and the thought of possible collusion with the Trump administration. There is a current congressional investigation ongoing.

    You are free to call it a witch hunt, but I think there is plenty of reason to be concerned given how friendly Trump and his administration has been to Russia, and just Russia, to the detriment even of our ties with other allies, or using our standing to help Russia in business deals with 3rd parties ( Japan ).

    On the CIA, would you like executive commissars or something? Not sure what sort of supervision you are talking about. The head is an executive appointment, and the nature of the CIA's purpose makes transparency with the public a very difficult thing to do without endangering that task.
    Regardless, this likely harms CIA intelligence gathering efforts abroad. If it truly is their entire hacking arsenal, then the damage will take years to recover from. Bad for America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    at least a section of that has been aiming itself at the Trump organisation for the last six months.
    This is the part I don't see any evidence for. There's plenty of information about tools that the CIA supposedly has at it's disposal, but I don't see any evidence about how those tools have been used.

    Jumping to the conclusion that Russian interference in the US elections is a CIA fabrication is going to need some pretty bulletproof evidence of actual wrongdoing, not just "well they coulda done it". Evidence of Russian interference has surfaced from a number of American agencies outside the CIA that wield just as much power in their own fields, as well as the intelligence services of several NATO members.

    That doesn't somehow go out the window because the CIA has a host of hacking/malware/exploit tools at their disposal.
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