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  • Originally posted by Toby View Post
    So where were they when Maastricht and Lisbon were signed....Must have been done VERY quietly....Don't remember a vote for the people either...hmmm....Strange thing about democracy is it only seems to work for certain people
    Parliament got a vote on Maastricht
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_vote_of_confidence_in_the_government_of_John_ Major

    And Lisbon
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7461918.stm

    The executive did not attempt to bypass the legislators in either instance.

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    • Wow what a defiant stance , we want another vote , an another until we get the vote we want , wankers

      If the Liberal Democrats wanted to become less of a laughing stock with their NINE MPs in the House of Commons, they could have all come together in a show of unity and vowed to all vote against the Article 50 Bill.

      Unfortunately for Tim Farron’s Lib Dem crew, two of their MPs have decided that they don’t want to play along!

      The Liberal Democrat party’s requested amendment reads as follows:

      That this House declines to give the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill a Second Reading because it does not provide a mechanism for the people of the United Kingdom to have a vote, prior to the UK’s departure from the European Union, on the terms of the new relationship between the United Kingdom and the European Union, because the Government has failed to provide an accompanying white paper detailing a plan or set of principles upon which the United Kingdom Government will seek to negotiate with the European Union, and because the Government has deliberately not tabled a money resolution in respect of this Bill, thereby hampering the elected representatives of the people from amending the Bill to include issues at the heart of public concerns with Brexit.

      In simple terms, they want the British public to have a vote on the terms of the final Brexit deal, but the Lib Dem MPs Norman Lamb and Greg Mulholland haven’t added their names to the amendment.

      Although the amendment will be put to a vote regardless, it hardly creates the best impression when almost a quarter of the party’s meagre presence haven’t backed it!

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      • Originally posted by zara View Post
        Parliament got a vote on Maastricht
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_vote_of_confidence_in_the_government_of_John_ Major

        And Lisbon
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7461918.stm

        The executive did not attempt to bypass the legislators in either instance.
        I'm quite well aware Parliament had its say..The very people they represent didn't though. The supreme court didn't stick its nose in either

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        • Originally posted by Toby View Post
          I'm quite well aware Parliament had its say..The very people they represent didn't though. The supreme court didn't stick its nose in either
          The supreme court didn't exist at that time.

          The high court had it's say for Maastricht:

          http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...t-1488238.html

          and for Lisbon:

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ourt-case.html

          And the UK is a constitutional monarchy, unlike Ireland, whose constitution requires referenda, ours does not - that's why we've only had 3 in our entire history, 5 if you include devolved referenda.

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          • Originally posted by zara View Post
            The supreme court didn't exist at that time.

            The high court had it's say for Maastricht:

            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...t-1488238.html
            I understand that parliament doesn't need to ask the people, in the UK. I just think it would have been appropriate. They've certainly never shied away from asking us to die for our country in the past.

            lol, that'll be why it didn't stick its nose in then! Ok, so the High court rejected Rees Moggs plea and "The three judges also questioned Lord Rees-Mogg's claims that this was the most important constitutional case for 300 years, although they conceded that it was 'of great moment'."

            'Of great moment' Is that a joke??..I mean they must have been keeled over behind the bike sheds with howls of laughter when they dreamt that line up...

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            • Originally posted by Toby View Post

              'Of great moment' Is that a joke??..I mean they must have been keeled over behind the bike sheds with howls of laughter when they dreamt that line up...
              Lol I think thats just the way they talk

              Still 2 more Brexit court cases to go, though seem to hear very little from them so have no idea when to expect a verdict.

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              • Originally posted by Toby View Post
                I understand that parliament doesn't need to ask the people, in the UK. I just think it would have been appropriate. They've certainly never shied away from asking us to die for our country in the past.

                lol, that'll be why it didn't stick its nose in then! Ok, so the High court rejected Rees Moggs plea and "The three judges also questioned Lord Rees-Mogg's claims that this was the most important constitutional case for 300 years, although they conceded that it was 'of great moment'."

                'Of great moment' Is that a joke??..I mean they must have been keeled over behind the bike sheds with howls of laughter when they dreamt that line up...
                The MP's said May the force be with you. And went to supper.
                No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                • Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                  The MP's said May the force be with you. And went to supper.

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                  • Well thank god that's out of the way. Onward and hopefully upward Britania
                    In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                    Leibniz

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                    • Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
                      Well thank god that's out of the way. Onward and hopefully upward Britania
                      Hmm, just waiting for the next obstacle now.. Who was it said "you ain't seen nothing yet".. ;)

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                      • Originally posted by zara View Post
                        Lol I think thats just the way they talk

                        Still 2 more Brexit court cases to go, though seem to hear very little from them so have no idea when to expect a verdict.
                        Aye! the hairdresser from Afghanistan and who else?

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                        • Originally posted by Toby View Post
                          Aye! the hairdresser from Afghanistan and who else?

                          Not sure what your talking about there..

                          I mean the Dublin one 'Is article 50 reversable?' and the 'Do we need to activate Article 127 of the EEA to leave the single market'?

                          https://waitingfortax.com/2017/01/17...e-dublin-case/

                          https://www.theguardian.com/politics...gle-market-eea

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                          • Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
                            Well thank god that's out of the way. Onward and hopefully upward Britania
                            Lol! It's barely got started!

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                            • Pari did you have to ����

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                              • Originally posted by zara View Post
                                Lol! It's barely got started!
                                Who the hair dresser?

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