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“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by Bigfella View PostThat is the concern from my POV - that some of these 'entitled victims' decide that marching with guns isn't enough. That won't bring a civil war, but it could get a lot of people hurt.
It's the "uprising" and "civil war" predictions that make me roll my eyes in disgust and frustration.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by TopHatter View PostWow...so what you're saying is that this Nazi punk gets to be judge, jury and executioner? What crime was she committing?
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I am not gonna shed a tear when violent people or those who support violence against their fellow citizens die regardless if they align Left or Right.
there is proof that James Fields is a terrorist AND a white-nationalist; what proof is there that Heather Meyer was anti-fa or "in the commission of a crime"? as far as i know, the unlawful assembly order was targeted at the Unite the Right rally, which was subsequently moved.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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Originally posted by astralis View PostGVChamp,
too many unknowns at this point, i think. the median result will be a fairly significant level of House losses for the GOP, although I don't know if it will be enough to overcome a pretty big GOP lead.
of course, the huge x-factor at this point is the economy. "a fairly significant level of House losses for the GOP" is PREDICATED on the economy continuing gang-busters as it is now. even a minor recession will result in huge losses for the GOP, if not now, then certainly by 2020. that was one of my biggest concerns had HRC won, and it's even more true given the economic team in the WH now.
i think what should terrify the GOP is if the Dems actually re-take Congress. i doubt the next Democratic President or Congress will be eager to talk about a technocratic administration, using previously conservative plans for healthcare, or talking about Grand Bargains. there will be ENORMOUS pressure from the Dem base to "do unto them as they did unto us", complete with the Dem version of REDMAP, the North Carolina shenanigans, and the Gorsuch nomination. i don't think the Senate filibuster will survive such an atmosphere.
Mitch McConnell is old but not ancient, there's a good chance that he will still be around to rue some of his actions.
As a general note, it's also surprising that neither of the parties have much popularity, and both have been taking big hits the last couple decades."The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck
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Originally posted by zraver View PostI said she died in the commission of a crime. The protests/counter protest had been declared an illegal assembly, she was marching with a group known for violence aka antifa/the black bloc.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by tbm3fan View PostOnce again he is the choice of a minority of the electorate."Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus
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GVChamp,
As a general note, it's also surprising that neither of the parties have much popularity, and both have been taking big hits the last couple decades.
i suspect it has to do a combination of technological/sociological trends towards hyper-individualization. most organized civic groups have been declining in sustained participation for decades now.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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Originally posted by zraver View PostDidn't say that at all, he's gonna go to jail for the rest of his life. I said she died in the commission of a crime. The protests/counter protest had been declared an illegal assembly, she was marching with a group known for violence aka antifa/the black bloc. I am not gonna shed a tear when violent people or those who support violence against their fellow citizens die regardless if they align Left or Right.
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Originally posted by astralis View Postbeing in the general proximity as anti-fa doesn't make you anti-fa, considering there were church-groups, ACLU, and other non-violent civil organizations at the counter-protests as well.
[quote]there is proof that James Fields is a terrorist AND a white-nationalist;[/qute]
And he will be deservedly tried, convicted and depending on any Federal Civil Rights prosecution possibly executed. 2nd Degree Murder in VA can have a life sentence imposed and only warrants a basic public defender appointment. He won't get a top dollar legal team unless the feds try him for capitol murder (civil rights murder).
what proof is there that Heather Meyer was anti-fa or "in the commission of a crime"?
as far as i know, the unlawful assembly order was targeted at the Unite the Right rally, which was subsequently moved.
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Now let me understand. Charlottesville = Univ of Virginia.
The basic protest is over and against that city's proposed removal of a statue with renowned "CSA" Genl Robert E Lee on horseback from a public park.
Can this statue be purchased by private citizens , secured, transported and moved onto private property elsewhere ? (Is it art ?)
Why would a statue of Lee become an identifying rallying point for Neo-Nazis, Aryan idealists and white supremists ? (I can understand the KKK's perception of why.)
Why were these hate groups "that no longer have any place in the fabric of America" be granted a permit to march through the City of Charlottesville towards that site filled with its majority of non-residents (City of Charlottesville) after the decision was already made by the city ? 🤔Real eyes realize real lies.
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Originally posted by PeeCoffee View PostCan this statue be purchased by private citizens , secured, transported and moved onto private property elsewhere ? (Is it art ?)
Originally posted by PeeCoffee View PostWhy would a statue of Lee become an identifying rallying point for Neo-Nazis, Aryan idealists and white supremists ? (I can understand the KKK's perception of why.)
Originally posted by PeeCoffee View PostWhy were these hate groups "that no longer have any place in the fabric of America" be granted a permit to march through the City of Charlottesville towards that site filled with its majority of non-residents (City of Charlottesville) after the decision was already made by the city ?“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by TopHatter View PostIt can be and the removed CSA monuments usually are removed to a museum. However certain people don't want it moved. They want it on public display.
Robert E. Lee embodies the Confederacy, which enshrined slavery in its Constitution, more than any other person associated with it.
The First Amendment, which guarantees that government must uphold the Freedom of Speech. That means any group, regardless of their size or message, must be granted the rights of other groups.
Thankfully SC doesn't agree with them.
Robert E Lee doesn't embody the Confederacy. He embodies the South, which tried to secede through the Confederacy. He was specifically chosen by President Grant to be the embodiment of reconciliation between the North and the South. Were the Nobel Prize a thing in his day, he would've likely won one.
The guy's legacy gets way too white-washed with the Southern Redemption, but he's just not in the same category as other Confederate leaders and was explicitly chosen for that reason to be the example of the Southern Gentleman. I personally don't think there's a single man, woman, or child who has the moral authority to declare that wrong, nor will there ever be, because none of them fought in the Civil War."The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck
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Originally posted by zraver View PostAntifa attacked becuase they don't even bother to fight ideas with ideas, they espouse direct action. They are a violent extremist organization and its members should be prosecuted for terrorism.
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Originally posted by GVChamp View PostRobert E Lee doesn't embody the Confederacy. He embodies the South, which tried to secede through the Confederacy. He was specifically chosen by President Grant to be the embodiment of reconciliation between the North and the South. Were the Nobel Prize a thing in his day, he would've likely won one.
The guy's legacy gets way too white-washed with the Southern Redemption, but he's just not in the same category as other Confederate leaders and was explicitly chosen for that reason to be the example of the Southern Gentleman. I personally don't think there's a single man, woman, or child who has the moral authority to declare that wrong, nor will there ever be, because none of them fought in the Civil War.
There are former Confederates who sought to redeem themselves—one thinks of James Longstreet, wrongly blamed by Lost Causers for Lee’s disastrous defeat at Gettysburg, who went from fighting the Union army to leading New Orleans’s integrated police force in battle against white supremacist paramilitaries. But there are no statues of Longstreet in New Orleans.* Lee was devoted to defending the principle of white supremacy; Longstreet was not. This, perhaps, is why Lee was placed atop the largest Confederate monument at Gettysburg in 1917, but the 6-foot-2-inch Longstreet had to wait until 1998 to receive a smaller-scale statue hidden in the woods that makes him look like a hobbit riding a donkey. It’s why Lee is remembered as a hero, and Longstreet is remembered as a disgrace.
The white supremacists who have protested on Lee’s behalf are not betraying his legacy. In fact, they have every reason to admire him. Lee, whose devotion to white supremacy outshone his loyalty to his country, is the embodiment of everything they stand for. Tribe and race over country is the core of white nationalism, and racists can embrace Lee in good conscience.
The question is why anyone else would."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...al-lee/529038/“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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