For Republicans and independents, the speech boosted optimism about what the administration will do moving forward. Just a quarter of Democrats felt more optimistic.
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Originally posted by DOR View PostThe most interesting part to me was when he said both the POTUS and Congress had pledged to "serve, protect, defend our citizen," rather than "protect and defend the Constitution." Very telling.
Originally posted by DOR View PostHis definition of healthcare that isn't Obamacare is so close to Obamacare that they should just pass a law saying it is now called Trumpcare: pre-existing conditions covered, premiums subsidized, states helped to expand Medicaid, and efforts to reduce the cost of care, drugs and insurance. In other words, Obamacare.
It is disturbing to see his xenophobia emerging into action with the new DHS office VOICE: Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement. It's almost as if victims of crimes by Native Americans are somehow less worthy of assistance ...
In all, I counted six policy reversals (including the "fantastic F-35" and "respect for veterans") and 20 "alternative facts."
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Originally posted by citanon View PostThey asked for briefings to be kept to 1 page with lots of graphics or and maps. Is that because he's bored of them? Because he doesn't have enough time at the start of the administration? Because the 1 page format was more efficient and conveyed just as much information? Because the people producing the old briefings were being too long winded? Because.......
Originally posted by citanon View PostI'm not. First I fail to see how a few staffers out of literally hundreds not getting security clearances can be seen as indicating anything at all. Secondly the real facts are obviously far from justifying the statement that staffers "can't seem to get security clearance". Really? What about the other 99%? It's yet another alternative fact that is as irrelevant as all the other ones you are hysteric over. I didn't think it worth our time to even go over.
Originally posted by citanon View PostI said Trump has selected good people. I did not say that every last single one of his picks were good.
Bro, do you even logic?
SO who are the good people and who are the bad people, as per you?"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus
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Originally posted by DOR View PostIt is disturbing to see his xenophobia emerging into action with the new DHS office VOICE: Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement. It's almost as if victims of crimes by Native Americans are somehow less worthy of assistance ...
The other thing that doesn't make sense--as others have noted--is giving special treatment to victims of crimes perpetuated by illegals. All victims of violent crime are the same no matter who perpetrates the crime. IMO, Trump is overcooking the goose on this one.To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
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Now for a lighter moment... What's Kelly Ann doing on the couch?...Not what you'd think...read
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a05c56e2ea61
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
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Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
Actually governing is another matter though."Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus
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Originally posted by JAD_333 View PostNow for a lighter moment... What's Kelly Ann doing on the couch?...Not what you'd think...read
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a05c56e2ea61
[ATTACH=CONFIG]43394[/ATTACH]"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus
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Originally posted by JAD_333 View PostNow for a lighter moment... What's Kelly Ann doing on the couch?...Not what you'd think...read
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a05c56e2ea61
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No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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Originally posted by citanon View PostSome of the members here who I thought should know better bought into the narrative. Intelligence agencies that should know better bought into the narrative. National security officials who should have known better bought into the narrative.
Originally posted by citanon View PostOf course the media was all too ready to be Putin's puppets, not because they want to, or that they are enemies of the people, but because they are morons.
[QUOTE=JAD_333;1022226]Trump is not denying that he had interest in doing business in Russia. He had a number of proposals some years ago. What he's saying now is that he has nothing going on in Russia now.[QUOTE=citanon;1022197]
That is one interpretation if one wanted to be careless or possibly benign. If I said I had nothing to do with Ukraine (or Poland or the UK or Hellas or Macedonia, Serbia, France or even Muscovy), nothing whatever and had not phoned anyone in any of those countries for the last ten years I would knowingly lie. Of course I disclose my interests, friends and family contacts - as well as professional working contacts some of whom I count as friends. I am quite happy if my tax returns are investigated or the incomings and outgoing payments from my bank accounts to be looked at - I was asked to comply with such an investigation once. I do not have anything to hide and do not need to lie or withold the sources of my income. Nor do intelligence operations work on the 'here and now' basis as I understand it. They keep dossiers on people who may be useful until they find a chance to use any incriminating information they may have in a manner useful for their purposes. You probably know more than I in that regard but I can tell you that Toria Nuland had a deal on the table last year from her meetings with Surkov that involved an end to the Muscovite occupation of Ukrainian territory; it was all but done. When Trump became the Republican candidate that went out of the window and the hacks occured and all the meetings with intelligence and 'business' people (because Sechin is serious business but not in the ordinary sense) and the Trump campaign started; 'Agent Orange' was activated. To say he does not have business interests in Muscovy at this minute means nothing and may be true or false. It would be standard proceedure to try to not have clear interests if you did have a connection I would presume.
Originally posted by JAD_333 View PostIt's an odd situation. Number 2 guy at DOJ told Priebus (privately, I presume) that the NYT article exaggerated contacts Trump's people had with Russians in that they were not as frequent and as sinister as reported. Priebus apparently wanted the FBI to share that with the public, but the FBI demurred saying the matter was still under investigation. It's a molehill being made into a mountain by outlets like the NYT, which itself should have waited for the investigation to be completed just as it demanded of the administration.
Originally posted by JAD_333 View PostConservative values are no more anti-Enlightenment than liberal values. Judging by the way liberals are behaving and the absurd things they are saying in reaction to Trump's election and first month in office, I would question just how much liberals value the truth.
However I do not agree with citanon's partisan 'apologies' and professions of belief such as "but he has a mental divide between the self-adoring side and the self-loyal side" and other such pseudo psychiatric babble mean nothing to me when questions remain unanswered and are consistently lied about. The truth is there and will come out. I am 99% sure the Trumpeteers will not accept it. What happens then should worry you in the US but you need to solve it quick as a wider war in Europe is increasingly likely and a compromised and chaotic WH inceases the liklihood.
It is in many ways an old story just playing out a sequel in the US. Remember they never invaded Georgia? The Georgians invaded Abkazia - a province of their own country! Same of course in Ukraine. I remember there was a thread here some time ago regarding 'winning the Cold War' and I argued then as should be evident now that it was never 'won' by the West; if anything it was won by the Central and Eastern European nations but it was but a battle and not the end of a war which would require the exposure and public cleansing of the Muscovite checkist state publicly along the lines Vladimir Bukovsky recommended and as was done at Nuremburg. Now I understand the reasons why this was not done - though Bukovsky himself tried - but again as he said imagine if the SS and Gestapo had not been cleansed from post war Germany. What you expect? That is what has happened in Muscovy; the Checkists have returned and want their Empire back. Trump is just another 'useful idiot'.
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There were two as I said. One a video tape and one audio.
No guns in the election booths during the Ukrainian elections. We have IMF deals and requirements not exclusively US loans or EU loans and have repayed every penny on time.
When people from deadweight nations are outraged the free ride is up, it's a good sign.
Why bother with justice right? Forget it - until you are robbed or assaulted - or they come for you. I understand you love the kleptocratic mafia regime in Moscow but seriously why don't you move there?Last edited by troung; 02 Mar 17,, 06:46.To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway
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Originally posted by JAD_333 View Post
The most heart wrenching moment was when Trump called on the wife of the Navy Seal who was killed during a raid in Yemen to stand in the gallery. Her grief just tore me up...
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Originally posted by LongLurker View PostThink you're reading a bit too far into that. I'm not going to say he's an ardent defender of the constitution, but I don't think he is literally out to, and isn't even able to, destroy it. That's why we have the courts. Don't think we have much to worry about there.
Originally posted by LongLurker View PostReversals alone aren't a sign of incompetence, in fact I'd rather politicians are able to reverse policy if that is in fact the better thing to do. I don't want them sticking to bad policies, like Trudeau is re: the F-35.Trust me?
I'm an economist!
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From whitelash to Trump here for 8 years, van Jones is quite the emotional guy. :D
And now he's experiencing his own personal whitelash from a flurry of melting snowflakes. :D
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/twitter-tur...151053203.htmlLast edited by citanon; 02 Mar 17,, 12:15.
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