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    Predictions are pretty hard, especially about the future.

    Parties can change pretty rapidly, so I can't say what 100% certain how voters are going to vote in 2024 or beyond. I'm just pretty sure that the partisan bent is going to continue for a while, because it's been a growing trend for decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    yup, doubt Sanders would have done better, despite all the talk about all the hidden enthusiastic liberals that just couldn't pull for Clinton.
    Sanders would have been murdered. A grumpy old Socialist with more baggage than a Napoleonic army. Apparently the 'dirt file' was 2ft thick. Literally. There were also some very damaging video clips. If Bernie is the answer the question is wrong.

    The problem was Clinton running in the first place. She scared out all the other decent candidates & made the Primaries a race between two deeply flawed alternatives.


    on the other hand, the existing, default demographics usually point to narrow-but-growing Democratic wins, at least at the Presidential level. Trump essentially won by scrambling the system with his "outsider" status-- by polarizing the right people at the right time. his narrow win actually represents a blow-out in GOP terms, because they were working at a disadvantage to begin with.

    this may be my partisan bias talking, but i honestly think this is sort of an all-or-nothing gamble, that WON in an improbable way against a complacent Democratic electorate. there won't be this complacency in 2020, that's for sure.
    The problem may not be complacency, but excessive zeal. Trump will bring out a lot of determined people, but their determination may extend to another bout of 'all or nothing' . Been there, done that, does not end well.

    Dems need someone young & appealing and they need to not tear themselves apart doing it. If they pick a candidate who is toxic to a key demographic or section of the party throws a giant sulk they can stuff it up.


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    in short, they need 2008 Obama back...lol.
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    So what policy has lead to the poor condition of what is left of the Islamic State? The press appears not to be reporting on it or if any credit is due?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfella View Post
    The problem may not be complacency, but excessive zeal. Trump will bring out a lot of determined people, but their determination may extend to another bout of 'all or nothing' . Been there, done that, does not end well.

    Dems need someone young & appealing and they need to not tear themselves apart doing it. If they pick a candidate who is toxic to a key demographic or section of the party throws a giant sulk they can stuff it up.
    Come 2020 there should be another group beginning to make their voices heard. Millennials, as a generation, are just as big as the boomer generation. One is starting to fade out some while the other is starting to appear on the political scene. In my dealings with them they are quite liberal on social issues and a lot of them have been aggravated by Trump. I guess we will see if 2020 brings them out in force for the first time and the torch gets passed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    in short, they need 2008 Obama back...lol.
    No, but a moratorium on angry pensionable white people would be a good start. :-)


    Quote Originally Posted by tbm3fan View Post
    Come 2020 there should be another group beginning to make their voices heard. Millennials, as a generation, are just as big as the boomer generation. One is starting to fade out some while the other is starting to appear on the political scene. In my dealings with them they are quite liberal on social issues and a lot of them have been aggravated by Trump. I guess we will see if 2020 brings them out in force for the first time and the torch gets passed.
    The trick is going to be harnessing that demographic in a useful way. Their performance in this election was less than impressive - tantrums, conspiracy theories & sulking. A repeat of the sort of 'all or nothing' thinking displayed last time will see Trump back in the WH one way or another. An attempt to find a 'left wing Trump' would be just as misguided. Some hard work ahead.


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    When 18-30 year-old women vote in the same proportion as 50-70 year-old men, America will change.
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