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Originally posted by snapper View PostSure and I understand that and do not personally agree with an 'open door' refugee/migrant policy where the security checks etc that would normally be considered a form of due diligence cannot be carried out. However to go from that to accusing Merkel of murder ("Merkel kills Germans") does not follow. Suppose I let you into my house and you then attack me and steal from me; am I guilty of attacking and stealing from myself? Well I cannot steal what is mine and am clearly not responsible for your actions so to blame me for the assault and theft does not follow from the fact that I let you in.
If your roommate tells you that I am dangerous, you let me in, I rape your roommate, sure it is my responsibility, but isn't it also yours?No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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So,what happened with deutschland über alles? Was your anthem created as the expression of the people or it is a private anthem of your govt administration? Is there a difference between German govt and Germany? What is Germany anyhow? Is it a state or is it the government?Last edited by Versus; 21 Dec 16,, 13:39.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostHowever to go from that to accusing Merkel of murder ("Merkel kills Germans") does not follow.
Originally posted by Versus View PostSo,what happened with deutschland über alles?
It should be noted that our current anthem is already a fallback to nationalist leanings, as during the 70s and 80s it was considered politically incorrect. Kohl's follies included legally making it our anthem, which even the Easterners did not support at the time.Last edited by kato; 21 Dec 16,, 14:07.
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Originally posted by kato View PostNo evidence of a connection to ISIS has been found so far. Was coincidentally just reiterated in French media last week since last friday the trial against three suspects in connection with the attack began (two Albanians for illegal weapon deals and a French-Tunisian for acting as an intermediary between the attacker and those two).
And all of them derive it from the Washington Times... it's the usual round robin. Unless there's something official e.g. published by Amaq (the ISIS press agency) or Bayan (ISIS-operated radio station) they haven't claimed it.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostSure and I understand that and do not personally agree with an 'open door' refugee/migrant policy where the security checks etc that would normally be considered a form of due diligence cannot be carried out. However to go from that to accusing Merkel of murder ("Merkel kills Germans") does not follow. Suppose I let you into my house and you then attack me and steal from me; am I guilty of attacking and stealing from myself? Well I cannot steal what is mine and am clearly not responsible for your actions so to blame me for the assault and theft does not follow from the fact that I let you in.
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It appears that we have one of our citizens involved in all this, most likely from Sanjak region. My old "friends" from watcher days. We should have took them out than, it would be so much easier now... But the orders never came, just to monitor them. The guy took an alias Abdurahman, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdi_Pasha_the_Albanian.
Yep, they are coming back.Last edited by Versus; 21 Dec 16,, 18:12.
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Manhunt for Anis A. is now open to the public.
100,000 Euro for information leading to his arrest.
Official poster:
https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit...onFile&v=1
Photo on the right side is from his ID btw.Last edited by kato; 21 Dec 16,, 18:40.
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Originally posted by kato View PostOn a somewhat more serious note, AfD politician Pretzell posted a tweet calling the victims "Merkel's Dead" as in blaming her in the same vein. Police is now investigating for defamation.
You know when this gets spun by those who are opposed to Merkel's policy, and the average German who is already wondering about the policy, hears it all then they are going to believe the spin. Merkel and her government will become the bad guys who need to be changed. Where have we seen this before?
Granted Kato won't fall for this stuff but then populism would never work on him but it will work on many others.
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Originally posted by tbm3fan View PostDefamation, huh? Interesting. I'm wondering how that is different from Hilary is a crook?“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by Doktor View PostSince we go with these analogies, to which I don't subscribe, but am tempted to counter...
If your roommate tells you that I am dangerous, you let me in, I rape your roommate, sure it is my responsibility, but isn't it also yours?
Originally posted by drhuy View Postmerkel get germans killed.
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Originally posted by tbm3fan View PostDefamation, huh? Interesting. I'm wondering how that is different from Hilary is a crook?
You know when this gets spun by those who are opposed to Merkel's policy, and the average German who is already wondering about the policy, hears it all then they are going to believe the spin. Merkel and her government will become the bad guys who need to be changed. Where have we seen this before?
Granted Kato won't fall for this stuff but then populism would never work on him but it will work on many others.
oh, and i dont think the "average German" needs your political advice.
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