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    Spiegel Online has a pretty interesting interview (German only) with the former landlord of Anis Amri; police considers the landlord an important witness in investigations in the case.

    According to him, while Amri carried an inner radicalized persona, he did live pretty modern and westernized; police that had him under surveillance at the time similarly indicated a conflict in this regard - Amri had contacts to salafists and radical mosques, but on the other hand worked as a small-time drug dealer becoming involved in turf fights who lived it up going to dance clubs at night, doing alcohol, XTC and cocaine and being pretty concerned about his looks. He showed his radical side occasionally. The landlord tells a story about a Libyan flatmate - an army officer in Germany for medical treatment - who'd loudly complain about IS in his home country; Amri got into a fight with him over that, calling him an infidel. Overall he got along with the others in the flat amicably though, if a bit chaotic at chores and such; the landlord - a former Tunisian police officer who had moved to Germany with his German wife 25 years ago and worked as a professional truck driver since then* - and Amri occassionally liked to talk shop about trucks, with Amri telling him he learned how to drive one from his brother (Amri stole a truck in Tunisia at age 18, which he obviously didn't tell him). The final radicalization of Amri only occured during the last two weeks before the attack, with him noticably withdrawing to his room to read the Qu'ran. This led to increasing discomfort for the landlord and the flatmates, with the landlord getting rid of him mid-december.

    Amri last visited the flat on December 19th; apologizing to the Libyan guy "if he had felt insulted by him" as well as the landlord for "any problems during his tenancy" and then packing up the last of his belongings still in the flat. Into the same backpack found in the truck at the christmas market four hours later.

    * small caveat in this regard: The landlord himself has been investigated for possible courier services for a common acquaintance of him and Amri, although the exact items moved can not be qualified. Said acquaintance - Bilel B.A. - last met Amri the day before the attack, eating out with him in a restaurant; while investigations against Bilel B.A. were dropped for lack of evidence of any wrongdoing, he has still been deported to Tunisia since then.

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    Short primers on two attacks over the weekend:

    • Hamburg, North Germany
      • What happened: Guy in supermarket takes knife sold there and uses it to stab other people.
      • Victims: One dead, five injured.
      • Outcome: Ran into Iraqi refugees and some Turkish gang members in the street. Iraqis boxed him in using chairs as shields while gang members threw rocks at him, then Turkish guy clubbed him over the head with a iron bar. Somewhat surprisingly still alive given video of the aftermath shows the guy handcuffed unmoving on the ground with some seemingly unconcerned police officers standing around not really paying much attention to him while a pool of blood spreads out from his head...
      • Nationality of attacker: Palestinian.
      • Refugee: Yes, about to be deported.
      • Terrorism: Considered likely. Attacker has standard vita for recent IS attacks (small-time criminal with drug problems and mental problems turned religious).
      • Investigative process: Mostly investigating his environment. Friend of attacker living in same home was temporarily detained for questioning.

    • Constance, South Germany
      • What happened: Guy gets into a tiff with a doorman at a dance club, goes home to get his assault rifle (some carbine AR15 variant, police later presented a M4), then uses it to get revenge on the doorman and supposedly fires off the rest of the magazine at some clubbers.
      • Victims: One dead (the doorman), three injured - including one police officer whose helmet saved him from a lethal wound (the officer was wearing full "amok gear", i.e. Level IV body armour).
      • Outcome: Attacker killed in firefight six minutes after he fired his first shots - with a handful shots fired by the 22 police officers who were on the scene by that point.
      • Nationality of attacker: (Kurdish) Iraqi.
      • Refugee: No, had been in the country for decades.
      • Terrorism: No. Attacker was brother-in-law of the guy operating and son-in-law of the guy owning the club.
      • Investigative process: Focusing on where he got the gun.

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    Kato:

    Excellent summary. Sure you're not a cop? -)

    So did the first attacker survive the bop on the head?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD_333 View Post
    So did the first attacker survive the bop on the head?
    Yeah, they put him in a hospital and then arrested him with a court order after treatment. Officially he sustained "light head wounds", which in legal speak means the hospital did not keep him overnight.

    Nationality of that attacker is somewhat complicated and remains under investigation. Apparently he was:
    • born in the United Arab Emirates
    • had Palestinian parents
    • as a Palestinian is technically stateless
    • grew up in Syria
    • entered the EU through Spain and moved on to Sweden
    • exited the EU and entered Germany directly through Norway
    • claimed to no longer have ID papers
    • filed an asylum request in 2015 as a Palestinian

    His asylum request in Germany was rejected in last November, and he was liable for deportation since then; problem was the combination of the above - usually we'd deport stateless Palestinians relatively quickly to Israel where they get arrested on arrival regardless of who they are. The day before the attack he apparently himself inquired with the foreigner office he had to regularly report to whether the Palestinian diplomatic mission in Germany had issued his replacement ID yet.

    The men who intercepted him tag-teamed him pretty much, with first a group of Tunisians and Tunisian-Germans, then some Afghans and a few Iraqis and - after seeing the commotion - the mentioned Turkish guys going after him. The Tunisians also tried to talk to him, but did not understand his dialect of Arabic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    The men who intercepted him tag-teamed him pretty much, with first a group of Tunisians and Tunisian-Germans, then some Afghans and a few Iraqis and - after seeing the commotion - the mentioned Turkish guys going after him. The Tunisians also tried to talk to him, but did not understand his dialect of Arabic.
    Seems like the 99% of middle easterners and n. Africans in Europe dislike being tarred as radicals on account of the actions of the 1%. This isn't the first time we've seen the "good" ones go after a "bad" one.
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    P.S.: Add Egypt to the list of countries he was in, apparently he got from there to Spain somehow...

    Authorities tried to deport him to Norway under Dublin treaty since he had already applied for asylum there (while Norway is not a EU member state they're in Dublin in order to be part of Schengen*), but were one day too late in filing for that; under Dublin if you discover such a case you have to deport him within two months, and that's two months to the dot. Hence Norway refused to take him.

    Whole thing has started hitting the election campaigning, even if it's pretty sedate so far. Right-wing CSU, i.e. Merkel's bavarian counterparts, claims that if they had had their way he would have been put in some detention camp, with the SPD responding that Germany still has presumption of innocence as a legal principle. Greens are showing their true conservative colors with a distinct anti-immigrant reaction. CDU, i.e. Merkel's party, calls for simply introducing blanket visa bans for citizens of countries who refuse to have people shoved onto them, i.e. in other words not just refusing entry in the line of Trump but also deporting e.g. those Tunisians. The hard-right wing of the CDU tries to shaft the SPD with supposed responsibility, see also below. AfD, notably for the topic, doesn't pop up at all anymore in the media outside the ultra-right German counterparts of Breitbart, Zerohedge etc.

    There's also some anti-Northerner, rather "those liberal Hamburgers didn't deport him" swing in there (including from right-wing parties in Hamburg, i.e. CDU, AfD and FDP), but that's even more sedate because while Hamburg is run by a left-wing government (SPD/Green/Left) that government has been deporting more people than Hamburg's previous Grand Coalition.

    * Norway not being an EU member state isn't exactly well-known in Germany. In the current debate there's politicians who get that wrong...

    Quote Originally Posted by JAD_333 View Post
    Seems like the 99% of middle easterners and n. Africans in Europe dislike being tarred as radicals on account of the actions of the 1%.
    One of the first calls to the police was from a Turkish woman btw. She thought the Tunisians were trying to steal the chairs set outside in front of her cafe (which they used to hit the guy).

    One of the guys intercepting him was a 21-year-old Afghan refugee who was working the cashier - and apprenticing as a sales employee - in the supermarket. Way politics over here are going he'll probably get his deportation order back to Afghanistan once he completes his apprenticeship, at least if Merkel is reelected.

    Despite some reports claiming otherwise - mostly based around the fact that the names that pop up in the press in regard to it are "all Muslims" - this whole thing took place in a pretty "white" neighborhood btw. Barmbek-North in Hamburg. Only 6% foreign immigrants (one-third EU), 1% refugees, 13% foreign-born German nationals and 5% German-born foreigners (one-third EU) among the 41,000 people in that area of the city. Under par for Hamburg and about average for Germany as a whole. Down here in the South that would be comparable to some upper-class suburb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD_333 View Post
    Seems like the 99% of middle easterners and n. Africans in Europe dislike being tarred as radicals on account of the actions of the 1%. This isn't the first time we've seen the "good" ones go after a "bad" one.
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