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    According to the polls by RAI, the referendum is Yes 42:58 No.

    So if Renzi is to keep his word, he is out of the office for good.

    That would make him another leftist in a row defeated by the populism.
    No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

    To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Doktor View Post
    According to the polls by RAI, the referendum is Yes 42:58 No.

    So if Renzi is to keep his word, he is out of the office for good.

    That would make him another leftist in a row defeated by the populism.
    When are these idiots going to realize, that nations are not toys in some strange board game.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Doktor View Post
      That would make him another leftist in a row defeated by the populism.
      The string was broken by Hofer being dumped in Austria the same day though.

      As for the referendum, the outcome was pretty clear. In the 2013 general election Renzi's alliance got 29.5% of the popular vote for the lower and 31.6% for the upper house; i'd consider 42% a pretty good showing compared to that.

      The constitutional reform in question was largely designed to keep Italy's quirky "majority bonus" for the lower house - through which his alliance holds 55% of seats. At the same time it would have effectively eradicated the senate which he does not hold, replacing its current directly elected structure with a council with appointed representatives of regional governments (...where his party would be more likely to get local majorities).

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      • #4
        Originally posted by kato View Post
        The string was broken by Hofer being dumped in Austria the same day though.

        As for the referendum, the outcome was pretty clear. In the 2013 general election Renzi's alliance got 29.5% of the popular vote for the lower and 31.6% for the upper house; i'd consider 42% a pretty good showing compared to that.

        The constitutional reform in question was largely designed to keep Italy's quirky "majority bonus" for the lower house - through which his alliance holds 55% of seats. At the same time it would have effectively eradicated the senate which he does not hold, replacing its current directly elected structure with a council with appointed representatives of regional governments (...where his party would be more likely to get local majorities).
        There is no actual string, its just a media invention. The Italian People voted on a real question that effect their lives.

        Question:

        Can I destroy the power of the senate and allow unimpeded reform to take place to undermine the Italian constitution.

        Answer:

        No!

        So now we probably will get a Grillo led government which will pull the plug on the EU :)

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        • #5
          Who would vote yes to this?

          Do you approve the text of the Constitutional Law concerning 'Provisions for overcoming equal bicameralism, reducing the number of Members of Parliament, limiting the operating costs of the institutions, the suppression of the CNEL and the revision of Title V of Part II of the Constitution' approved by Parliament and published in the Official Gazette no. 88 of 15 April 2016?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kato View Post
            The string was broken by Hofer being dumped in Austria the same day though.

            As for the referendum, the outcome was pretty clear. In the 2013 general election Renzi's alliance got 29.5% of the popular vote for the lower and 31.6% for the upper house; i'd consider 42% a pretty good showing compared to that.

            The constitutional reform in question was largely designed to keep Italy's quirky "majority bonus" for the lower house - through which his alliance holds 55% of seats. At the same time it would have effectively eradicated the senate which he does not hold, replacing its current directly elected structure with a council with appointed representatives of regional governments (...where his party would be more likely to get local majorities).
            Hofer was denied presidency, but look who backed the other option, surely not the lefties
            No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

            To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by zara View Post
              Who would vote yes to this?

              Do you approve the text of the Constitutional Law concerning 'Provisions for overcoming equal bicameralism, reducing the number of Members of Parliament, limiting the operating costs of the institutions, the suppression of the CNEL and the revision of Title V of Part II of the Constitution' approved by Parliament and published in the Official Gazette no. 88 of 15 April 2016?
              So, it's pretty clear to a German and a Brit, but the Italians didn't get it?
              No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

              To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                Hofer was denied presidency, but look who backed the other option, surely not the lefties
                Both SPÖ (social democrats) and KPÖ (communists) spoke out in favour of voting van der Bellen. Of course, so did the ÖVP (republicans), NEOS (libertarians) and his own party (Greens). But the lefties backed him "too".

                Although in my opinion the KPÖ are pretty quirky for leftists. With regard to the election they issued a statement that they "don't want to leave the Second Republic to the heirs of those who contributed to wiping Austria off the map with their German-Nationalism".

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kato View Post
                  Both SPÖ (social democrats) and KPÖ (communists) spoke out in favour of voting van der Bellen. Of course, so did the ÖVP (republicans), NEOS (libertarians) and his own party (Greens). But the lefties backed him "too".

                  Although in my opinion the KPÖ are pretty quirky for leftists. With regard to the election they issued a statement that they "don't want to leave the Second Republic to the heirs of those who contributed to wiping Austria off the map with their German-Nationalism".
                  Prerty much everyone else.

                  WRT your second statment, I was also curious if there is genuine left of the center mainstream option there
                  No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                  To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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