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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Even if it's old:

    Over here one country west we consider that pretty conservative and borderline nazi policies.
    If you're talking about the UK, well I have to say that the anti democratic institution of the EU only has its German self to blame. As only ONE country truly benefits from its existence!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    As only ONE country truly benefits from its existence!
    The UK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    The UK?
    Our currency (the pound) hasn't been devalued by bankrupt states that share the same currency, allowing products to be exported at competitive prices. Our currency has been devalued by lack of confidence in the market place due to Brexit, quite different!

    Being brought up to be proud of ones Nationality does not make one a Nazi, The word Nazi is a media abbreviation of the term National socialist and so by default is an absurd comparison to draw.

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    "Proud of one's nationality"? Have you ever met one of them? PiS runs a national socialist ideology at its base, simple as that. Same as Orban and even more so Jobbik in Hungary do, or a number of smaller parties throughout Eastern Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    "Proud of one's nationality"? Have you ever met one of them? PiS runs a national socialist ideology at its base, simple as that. Same as Orban and even more so Jobbik in Hungary do, or a number of smaller parties throughout Eastern Europe.
    Ah apologises, talking at cross purposes, my bad!

    Thought you were having another anti British rant and the whiskey didn't help either....
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    That is retarded.Not borderline,but outright retarded.
    Those who know don't speak
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihais View Post
    That is retarded.Not borderline,but outright retarded.
    What drinking whisky? ..that figures
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Our currency (the pound) hasn't been devalued by bankrupt states that share the same currency, allowing products to be exported at competitive prices. Our currency has been devalued by lack of confidence in the market place due to Brexit, quite different!

    Being brought up to be proud of ones Nationality does not make one a Nazi, The word Nazi is a media abbreviation of the term National socialist and so by default is an absurd comparison to draw.
    Did you say 'devalued'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    What drinking whisky? ..that figures
    Was talking to kato.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOR View Post
    Yeh? I was just making the point that the Germans would have a stronger currency if they were on their own....which would inevitably lead to a decrease in exports. Anyway I misunderstood Kato......drink less would be the lesson....
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    When Merkel announced that Germany needs to go its own way in that beer hall.. tent speech she was still calling on German "friendship" with the USA.

    The word has since been dropped from all CDU campaign literature, demoting the US to a "partner".

    In addition, the CDU has dropped all - since 2013 constant - references to "strengthening economic ties with the USA".

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    G20: Angela Merkel sketches vision of French and German-led Europe

    Germany is reorienting itself away from the US and the UK and toward France. Chancellor Merkel made that abundantly clear in a major speech to parliament about the EU's future and next week's G20 summit in Hamburg.


    Germany and France will take a greater role in leading the European Union, and Europe must take a greater role in leading the world. That would be one way of summarizing Angela Merkel's speech to the German parliament on Thursday.

    Merkel began her 30-minute address by reporting on the EU summit last weekend and discussing the bloc's prospects as it negotiates the United Kingdom's withdrawal from the union.

    Significantly, Merkel spoke of "France and our other partners in the EU." She said that she had specifically talked with French President Emmanuel Macron about a "medium-term plan for deepening the EU and the euro zone." She also added that German and French interests were "connected in the closest possible way."

    The German chancellor argued that the EU was recovering from its economic crisis, with all 27 remaining members recording growth and lower unemployment. The UK, Merkel suggested, was no longer at the center of European plans.

    "Our priority is to prepare for our own future within the European Union, regardless of the Brexit," Merkel said.

    The chancellor also reiterated the need, against the backdrop of tensions with the United States under Donald Trump, for the EU to take more responsibility.

    "Europe has no choice but to increasingly take its fate in its own hands," Merkel said.

    Europe versus Trump on climate and cooperation

    Merkel looked ahead to the G20 summit of the world's leading nations that will take place in the northern German city of Hamburg on July 7 and 8. The chancellor stressed the need for Europe to present a common front against Donald Trump, particularly over the Paris Agreement on climate protection.

    "Since the withdrawal of the US, we're more determined than ever that this be a success," Merkel said. "We can't wait for the last man on earth to be convinced by the scientific evidence for climate change."

    She added that the Paris Agreement was "irreversible and non-negotiable."

    Germany is reorienting itself away from the US and the UK and toward France. Chancellor Merkel made that abundantly clear in a major speech to parliament about the EU's future and next week's G20 summit in Hamburg.
    Deutschland Bundestag Angela Merkel (Reuters/F. Bensch)

    Germany and France will take a greater role in leading the European Union, and Europe must take a greater role in leading the world. That would be one way of summarizing Angela Merkel's speech to the German parliament on Thursday.

    Merkel began her 30-minute address by reporting on the EU summit last weekend and discussing the bloc's prospects as it negotiates the United Kingdom's withdrawal from the union.

    Significantly, Merkel spoke of "France and our other partners in the EU." She said that she had specifically talked with French President Emmanuel Macron about a "medium-term plan for deepening the EU and the euro zone." She also added that German and French interests were "connected in the closest possible way."

    The German chancellor argued that the EU was recovering from its economic crisis, with all 27 remaining members recording growth and lower unemployment. The UK, Merkel suggested, was no longer at the center of European plans.

    "Our priority is to prepare for our own future within the European Union, regardless of the Brexit," Merkel said.

    The chancellor also reiterated the need, against the backdrop of tensions with the United States under Donald Trump, for the EU to take more responsibility.

    "Europe has no choice but to increasingly take its fate in its own hands," Merkel said.

    Europe versus Trump on climate and cooperation

    Merkel looked ahead to the G20 summit of the world's leading nations that will take place in the northern German city of Hamburg on July 7 and 8. The chancellor stressed the need for Europe to present a common front against Donald Trump, particularly over the Paris Agreement on climate protection.

    "Since the withdrawal of the US, we're more determined than ever that this be a success," Merkel said. "We can't wait for the last man on earth to be convinced by the scientific evidence for climate change."

    She added that the Paris Agreement was "irreversible and non-negotiable."

    The chancellor also took aim at Trump's national chauvinism, saying that economic protectionism "isn't an option" because it "harms everyone concerned." The theme of Germany's presidency of the G20, she stressed, was "a networked world."

    Merkel acknowledged that it would be difficult to talk with Trump on issues like terrorism, protectionism and climate change in Hamburg. But she argued that international cooperation was essential to ensure economic development and sustainability for the future and defended the annual G20 summits as a useful instrument for global change.

    "We need the G20 more than ever," Merkel said "We can get things accomplished more quickly and efficiently than would ever be possible for individual nations."

    Merkel underscored the theme of European solidarity by meeting in Berlin after her speech with the leaders of the other EU countries taking part in the G20 summit as well as the presidents of the European Commission and the European Council. The Chancellor said that the EU wanted to send a "message of unity and determination."

    The German election campaign is beginning

    With Germany holding a national election on September 24, the current government is winding down. And the junior partners in Merkel's governing coalition, the Social Democrats, have directly challenged the conservative chancellor.

    SPD parliamentary chairman Thomas Oppermann said that Merkel had done nothing to solve disagreements within the EU on issues like refugees. And he questioned whether the chancellor would truly stand up to the US president at a G20 summit that promises to be far more confrontational than such past meetings.

    "Donald Trump divides the west," Oppermann said. "It is necessary for us to take an unambiguous stand. In Hamburg, we must show the American president that he stands alone on climate change."

    As was also made clear by SPD chancellor candidate Martin Schulz's speech to a party conference last Sunday, the Social Democrats are vying to depict themselves as tougher on Trump than the incumbent chancellor.

    Opposition parties were equally scathing in their criticism. Left Party co-chairman Dietmar Bartsch disputed the idea that Europe was capable of leading the world.

    "At the moment Europe cannot play this role because it's in crisis," Bartsch said. "And that's the result of your policies."

    The Greens took the chancellor to task for her record on the environment, saying that in terms of concrete action Merkel was little better than Trump.

    "You talk about climate protection but you actually don't do anything about climate protection," Green Party parliamentary co-chairman Anton Hofreiter said.
    http://www.dw.com/en/g20-angela-merk...ope/a-39469089

    France's Emmanuel Macron outlines vision for Franco-German alliance

    French President Macron has said boosting cooperation with Germany was crucial to regaining the trust of European voters. His comments came ahead of his first EU leaders summit in Brussels.


    French President Emmanuel Macron on Thursday called on Germany to work alongside France in fostering a fresh approach to European politics and winning back the trust of people feeling disenfranchised by the EU.

    Speaking to a number of European newspapers ahead of his first EU leader summit in Brussels on Thursday, Macron said the greatest threat facing the bloc was the propensity for lawmakers and voters to veer away from liberal policies.

    "The question now is: will Europe succeed in defending the deep values it brought to the world for decades, or will it be wiped out by the rise in illiberal democracies and authoritarian regimes," he said.

    The French president called on Germany and France to drive the necessary reforms needed to reconcile citizens with the European project. Macron's policy roadmap would see the EU promote "greater economic and social wellbeing" and introduce tighter rules on workers and make it harder for companies to employ low-wage labor from eastern Europe.

    "One country's strength cannot feed on the weakness of others," Macron told reporters. The French president insisted that German Chancellor Angela Merkel was in total agreement and realized the need for deeper cooperation. "Germany, which underwent a series of reforms around 15 years ago, is realizing that this isn't viable," he said.

    Doubts remain over new eurozone ministry

    One area where Macron's vision has drawn skepticism in Berlin concerns the euro currency. The French president has called for a common eurozone budget and a democratically controlled "Euro Ministry."

    Reports last month suggested that the proposal had been rejected in Berlin by German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble.

    However, Macron insisted on Thursday that it was the "only means of achieving more convergence within the eurozone," and that "Germany does not it deny it."

    On Tuesday, Merkel signaled that she would be open to the idea of a eurozone budget.

    "We could, of course, consider a common finance minister, if the conditions are right," the chancellor said in a speech at the annual congress held by Germany's largest industrial lobby, the Federation of German Industries. However, Merkel ruled out any European body taking responsibility for member states' risks and liabilities for debt.
    http://www.dw.com/en/frances-emmanue...nce/a-39361732

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    Merkel talks such crap. How is Germany or the EU going to lead the world? By bringing troubled states renewable energy quotas? Maybe hash tagging important world events in the hope of them trending?

    If Europe doesn't suffer from economic disaster in the next 15 years Ill fall off my stool. They've locked in a future of, at best, severe social change with the refugees. Blowing most of Europe's electricity grid growth budget for the next 50 years on solar and wind generation projects that have achieved no net benefit. If I go my lifetime without seeing Europe go off the rails it will be evidence of sorcery surely?

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    Trump should care more about CIA.

    President Trump seems to care little if at all about what the American snoopy agency is doing in Europe, in Ukraine in particular. I came across this stuff https://dnrnews.wordpress.com/ and I was really amazed at CIA officials being so intensely involved into matters of the country so much distanced from the USA. I'm half Russian and so I could read it, about the attack on ex-MP of the Russian parliament Voronenkov. There are Ukrainian nationalists are real beasts prone to sadistic ways. At least they are reputed to be such ones in Poland nowadays. Far as I got it CIA officers have been highly supportive of them in Ukraine these days, employing them for their purposes vs. Russia. It's no good imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikie View Post
    President Trump seems to care little if at all about what the American snoopy agency is doing in Europe, in Ukraine in particular. I came across this stuff https://dnrnews.wordpress.com/ and I was really amazed at CIA officials being so intensely involved into matters of the country so much distanced from the USA. I'm half Russian and so I could read it, about the attack on ex-MP of the Russian parliament Voronenkov. There are Ukrainian nationalists are real beasts prone to sadistic ways. At least they are reputed to be such ones in Poland nowadays. Far as I got it CIA officers have been highly supportive of them in Ukraine these days, employing them for their purposes vs. Russia. It's no good imo.
    Wait, this article claims that Boris Nemtsov's assassins were paid $15 million in American funds funneled through Ukrainian nationalists?

    Am I reading this right? And if so can I get a citation?

    Nemtsov was a critic of the corruption in Putin's government and Russia's involvement in Ukraine. Why on earth would the US or Ukrainian nationalists want him dead? Organizing protests against Russian involvement in Ukraine is exactly what the CIA would want to encourage. They wouldn't kill someone that's a big thorn in Putin's side.

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