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    Russian Carrier Kuznetsov 2016 Deployment

    Russian Aircraft Carrier Smokes Through English Channel

    BRENDAN MCGARRY OCTOBER 21, 2016
    The Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov transited the English Channel on Friday en route to Syria.

    Likely envisioned as the latest display of Russian power projection, the move appears to have backfired.

    Photos and videos captured by international media showed the vessel billowing large plumes of black smoke, drawing jokes on social media that the steam-powered ship was actually a 19th century relic fueled by coal.

    The Russian aircraft carrier, its flagship, is making its first combat deployment, cruising to the eastern Mediterranean Sea to launch airstrikes in Syria, where Russia supports the regime of President Bashar al-Assad in the five-year-old civil war.

    The U.S. has also deployed aircraft and special operations forces to the fight in Syria to support rebels who oppose Assad and militants affiliated with the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS.

    Naval enthusiasts on Twitter couldn’t resist commenting on what could be wrong with the Kuznetsov, with one observer, Mark Best, saying the excessive smoke could be the result of water in the fuel or partially burned fuel, among other factors.

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    On a serious note; any former CHENG want 2 weigh in on what nightmare their Russian counterpart is facing right now?

    Mark Best @navy_nuke_lc
    1. water in the fuel. 2. casing leaks in the boiler or uptakes. 3. bad or dirty atomizers 4.unburned fuel in boiler DANGER

    “One can only hope that the technicians in the plants aren’t dying of carbon monoxide poisoning,” he wrote in another Tweet.

    The angled-deck ship, commissioned in 1990, was to carry about 25 fixed wing and rotary aircraft, including about 10 fighter jets such as the Sukhoi Su-33 (known as the Flanker D in NATO parlance) and Mikoyan MiG-29K/KUB twin-engine fighters and about 15 attack helicopters such as the Kamov Ka-52K, Ka-27 and Ka-31, according to previous Russian news reports.

    The ship’s crew was to coordinate the airstrikes with colleagues at Russia’s Hmeymim air base in Syria south of the port city of Latakia in the eastern part of the country, according to TASS. The ship is currently undergoing trials in the Barents Sea after repairs, it reported. Link

    NATO intelligence officers and naval engineers have to be having a field day with this one, whilst SAR crews are warily checking on their rescue gear.

    I dearly wish desertswo was still with us for commentary. :-(

    Place your bets ladies and gentlemen....When (not if) will this coal-burning disaster break down?
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    What am I missing here? This vessel brings ten fighters and 15 rotary-wing aircraft to the fight...if KUSNETSOV makes it there at all. Seems they could fly all that down to an airfield in Syria inside of a day. Why this tortured, tedious deployment? Will this vessel ultimately find itself assigned to the Black Sea Fleet because they can't get it home to the Northern Fleet?

    Just not sure what the KUSNETSOV brings to the party that couldn't be better-served from a fixed runway.
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    He is just waving the flag; poorly.
    An LHD with six AV-8B's can project more power.
    Other than Russia's submarines, their Navy is a complete basket case.

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    It would seem that even the Muscovite authorities are a little ashamed of this old carrier since they have been publicising it's journey using pictures of a US and French (I think) carrier group;

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    Better to show that pic back home instead of these.

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    Watch the video here

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ical-problems/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    Better to show that pic back home instead of these.

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    Watch the video here

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ical-problems/
    Well, if that ski-jump nosed carrier is not nuclear powered, then her forced draft blowers need to be replaced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S2 View Post
    What am I missing here? This vessel brings ten fighters and 15 rotary-wing aircraft to the fight...if KUSNETSOV makes it there at all. Seems they could fly all that down to an airfield in Syria inside of a day. Why this tortured, tedious deployment? Will this vessel ultimately find itself assigned to the Black Sea Fleet because they can't get it home to the Northern Fleet?

    Just not sure what the KUSNETSOV brings to the party that couldn't be better-served from a fixed runway.
    As surfgun said, this is flag-waving. Putin is showing that not only is his land-based air force is a power to be reckoned with, but that Russia can also send a balanced carrier battlegroup long distances to carry out combat missions as well. Flag-waving. Advertisement for Russian naval aviation. It's all about the image.

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    It would seem that even the Muscovite authorities are a little ashamed of this old carrier since they have been publicising it's journey using pictures of a US and French (I think) carrier group
    Yep, two US carriers, John C Stennis and John F Kennedy, Charles de Gaulle and HMS Ocean.

    (Note that JFK and Ocean are both conventionally-power ships...see all the smoke pouring out them? :-D)
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    By the way... remember the Mistrals? Guess where they are going now... The Polish Defence Minister alleges that they are being sold (by Egypt to whom France 'sold' them) to Muscovy for $1. The French payed compensation to Moscow for the non delivery so presumably the Egyptians were used as a 'middle man'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S2 View Post
    What am I missing here? This vessel brings ten fighters and 15 rotary-wing aircraft to the fight...if KUSNETSOV makes it there at all. Seems they could fly all that down to an airfield in Syria inside of a day. Why this tortured, tedious deployment? Will this vessel ultimately find itself assigned to the Black Sea Fleet because they can't get it home to the Northern Fleet?
    My guess is they'll sail it down to Tartus, and park it there for the duration; not so sure they're very eager to find out if it'll make it home or not.

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    Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin ....

    Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin has recalled Russia's CV from Syria?

    Can the CV return home without a tow?

    Will the ship elect to travel through the Channel and display its operational status once again for NATO allies to observe from the safety of land base locations......

    The world awaits....
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    Cheng.....

    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    NATO intelligence officers and naval engineers have to be having a field day with this one, whilst SAR crews are warily checking on their rescue gear.

    I dearly wish desertswo was still with us for commentary. :-(

    Place your bets ladies and gentlemen....When (not if) will this coal-burning disaster break down?
    The good Captain is smiling ear to ear looking down on this circus.... of this I am sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blidgepump View Post
    The good Captain is smiling ear to ear looking down on this circus.... of this I am sure!
    I also wish Desertstwo was still with us. I had the extreme pleasure of piping him aboard the Iowa when he visited the ship a few months before his passing. The info and recommendations he gave our engineering staff was terrific. I also gave him an autographed copy of my book. Unfortunately, he probably did not have enough time to read it all the way through.

    But he did tour some of the Russian ships AFTER the Cold War ended and found they are VERY LACKING in damage control equipment. Too few water fittings for fire control, too few triage spaces for wounded, too few this and too few that. He agreed with me (and Admiral Gorshekov) that one 16" hi-cap from an Iowa hitting forward of the superstructure of a Kirov (where all the missile launchers were installed) would turn that ship into a mushroom cloud.
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    Russia loses 2nd Su 33 in a month during carrier ops off Syria!

    Saw a media article reporting that a Su 33 returning from air ops over Syria crashed while attempting to land due to arrester cable failure. Apparently the pilot was able to eject safely and was recovered unharmed.

    The same report also said another Su 33 was lost earlier after it ran out of fuel (again returning from a mission) while waiting for flight deck crew to repair another broken arrester cable.

    Is it just me or are the Russians doing it wrong? I know they have limited experience with carrier ops but should they really be suffering from this kind of loss rate even allowing for the increased tempo of combat operations?
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    The first one was reported as MiG-29K.
    Bear in mind, it's first time Russian naval aviation is actually used
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrey Egorov View Post
    The first one was reported as MiG-29K.
    Bear in mind, it's first time Russian naval aviation is actually used
    Pretty much this. They are learning the hard way how dangerous naval air is. This article mentions a broken arresting cable gear on landing.

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