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  • #76
    Originally posted by Doktor View Post
    Not happy with what happens in your country, go out or stfu. Staying home safe never changed a thing.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Doktor View Post
      . Erdoganists yesterday flooded the streets and jumped on the tanks.
      Yep. A clear choice was made, the path is set.
      In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

      Leibniz

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      • #78
        26 Colonels and 5 Generals? For 2 battalions?
        Chimo

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        • #79
          And they now start to reap what they sowed.Gangs of islamists started a fight with Kurds and Alevi in the Gazi neighbourhood of Istanbul.

          It may be only a brawl for now,but it doesn't take long.
          Those who know don't speak
          He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
            26 Colonels and 5 Generals? For 2 battalions?
            Many were AF.And they thought needed only those in Istanbul.The troops did not followed as they were.
            Those who know don't speak
            He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Doktor View Post
              In all fairness, been over 20 years since the last coup.
              If it's simply a case of extremely poor planning, they have handed Erdogan the opportunity to carry out his purges.. on a golden platter.
              Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
              -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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              • #82
                Erdogan was certainly more prepared. He knew where all his enemies were and he got his lists drawn up. Looked like if the military didn't strike first, he would.
                Chimo

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                • #83
                  Yep.PErhaps he even suggested that to precipitate a hasty attempt.

                  Anyway,having this amount of high ranking officers and no serious effort to kill the SOB...
                  Those who know don't speak
                  He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                  • #84
                    26 Colonels and 5 Generals? For 2 battalions?
                    Are they within a chain of command to get more troops?

                    Getting a division, and its officers, might tip the whole thing off; though at the end of the day these guys failed spectacularly.

                    Well at the end of the day we can at least stop pretending the AKP took a secular Turkey off track...
                    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...112337899.html
                    The people defeated the coup in Turkey
                    When people of all persuasions stood against it, they turned a dark night into a bright morning for Turkish democracy.
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                    Now that the people have defeated this coup attempt, the politicians should remain vigilant and hold these perpetrators and their wider networks to account, writes Dalay [Reuters]Now that the people have defeated this coup attempt, the politicians should remain vigilant and hold these perpetrators and their wider networks to account, writes Dalay [Reuters]
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                    Galip Dalay

                    @GalipDalay

                    Galip Dalay is senior associate fellow on Turkey and Kurdish Affairs at Al Jazeera Center for Studies.

                    Turkey knows this enterprise very well. It recognises these scenes. The country remembers well the consequences and pains of each past coup; in 1960, 1971-1973, 1980 and 1997. The wounds are still fresh in people's minds.

                    One thing they all know is that no one, except for a small group of putchists and their collaborators, emerged victorious from those coups. Even those segments of society that had supported military takeovers of power prior to them ended up bearing the brunt of each one. They caused pain, squandered lives and blackened the future.
                    Erdogan: Turkey coup bid 'an act of treason'

                    That was why when a faction of the military, believed to be affiliated with the Gulen movement, led by the US-based scholar Fethullah Gulen - which is designated a terrorist group by Turkey - attempted to stage a coup against a democratically-elected government, all parties in the parliament and people from all walks of life and persuasions came forward to reject it.
                    From a dark night, a bright morning

                    It was a dark night but it brought a bright new morning for democracy in Turkey.

                    It was dark because even in today's highly-connected and transparent world, a small group of putchists driven by a narrow agenda were able to plant bombs in the national parliament, briefly take over TV channels and news agencies and kill civilians as well as officials.

                    The bombing of the national parliament and presidential palace has no precedence in Turkish history.

                    Now Turkey has an opportunity to use this plot as a means for national reconciliation. There has been a societal and political consensus in rejecting the attempted coup and the government should take comfort from this.



                    Though we use the word coup to describe what took place yesterday, this is for the sake of convenience. It was, in fact, more than a coup. Most of what happened yesterday has no parallel in Turkey's previous ignominous coup d'etats.

                    It was more like a terrorist campaign conducted by a small group of people aiming to maximise the levels of horror by hitting their targets indiscriminately. So many people have lost beloved ones as a result.

                    But this night has led Turkey into a bright day. The people of Turkey proved courageous. They came out on to the streets and demanded that political disputes be settled through political means and democratic procedures.

                    The vast majority of people of all political persuasions rejected this violent campaign, and all of the political parties represented in parliament opposed it.

                    IN PICTURES: Turkey coup attempt

                    President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called upon people to remain defiant and steadfast in the face of these "invaders". People positively responded. As a result, the coup attempt hasn't survived even for a day.

                    Rejecting the coup has now become Turkey's new common denominator. Given the political polarisation of recent years, yesterday became a rare symbol of national unity for Turkey.
                    The threat of the Gulen movement

                    In addition, yesterday's failed coup has revealed the danger posed by the Gulenists. Now the world knows what Turkey means when it describes this group as a state within a state that poses a threat to Turkey's democracy, its politics and its people.

                    Those involved didn't only defy the demands and aspirations of the people, but the decisions of their superiors. The vast majority of the military was not with them.

                    TIMELINE: How the coup attempt unfolded

                    One of the factors that probably motivated those involved to undertake this act now is the upcoming Supreme Military Council meeting on August 1, 2016, which was expected to lead to a major reshuffling in the military's higher echelons. A long-awaited purge of the Gulenists was anticipated.

                    In addition to this, there were reports that the judiciary would launch an investigation into the military wing of the Gulenists. This may have unnerved them, leading them to make hasty decisions about the timing and nature of this ill-prepared and ill-conceived coup attempt.

                    It now seems highly likely that the government will engage in a full purge of their network. In fact, a wide segment of society and the political class is demanding it.
                    An opportunity for national reconciliation

                    Now Turkey has an opportunity to use this plot as a means for national reconciliation. There has been a societal and political consensus in rejecting the attempted coup and the government should take comfort from this.

                    While remaining committed to deconstructing the Gulenist network, it should also take steps to initiate a nationwide process of reconciliation. What started as a menace can turn into an opportunity.

                    This act will also consolidate the rank and file of the Justice and Development Party's (AK party) base as all of the current and previous elites of the party have shelved their differences and adopted a united stance against it. The AK party is likely to emerge stronger and more unified.

                    More than two and half years ago, I argued in one of my pieces for Al Jazeera that "democracy cannot flourish in Turkey if the Gulen movement's parallel structure is not dismantled". Yesterday's events have confirmed this.

                    Now that the people have defeated this coup attempt, the politicians should remain vigilant and hold these perpetrators and their wider networks to account. Anyone supporting democracy in Turkey should support them as they ensure that such coups have no place in the country's future.

                    Galip Dalay is a senior associate fellow on Turkey and Kurdish Affairs at the Al Jazeera Centre for Studies, and research director at Al Sharq Forum.

                    The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial policy.
                    LMAO....
                    Last edited by troung; 17 Jul 16,, 01:13.
                    To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
                      Yep. A clear choice was made, the path is set.
                      Gents,it ain't fair.Normal folks lacked instant organization and leadership.Had the coup succeeded,we might have seen them.

                      It is debatable if and how will they organize and confrobt AKP nuscles in the streets
                      Those who know don't speak
                      He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                      • #86
                        snapper,

                        thank you my friend.

                        Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                        Kerim might correct me, but as far as I undarstand, there is Erdo's AK with half of the electorate behind, some non secular dude hiding abroad and the rest... So, whoever wins, Turkey ain't secular. Also, if this is what the Turks want, fuck it, let them have what they want. Wanna be IRI or KSA, fine.
                        here are some factions that i can list at first glimpse,

                        there is erdo & his ak-dogs, there is gulen & his followers, all islamists, all were once best friends but now enemies. - islamist/ non secular

                        there is nationalist MHP and other minor nationalists, all supporting akp for now, tho there is an on going process of election inside this party, - racial nationalist (mainly morons)/ secular but supporting akp in some cases

                        there is hdp which is pkk's political branch, mainly feodal land lords, nothing to do with religion (this is their weak point btw) - terrorists/ really terrorists nothing about the problems of Kurds in reality

                        there is CHP & kilicdaroglu (alevi but mainly moron, lost 7 elections) - no one knows where are they exactly but this is Ataturk's CHP and the founder party of Turkey (always a great potential despite idiot kilicdaroglu) so they are being voted to keep a concentrated opposition before akp. their alliance with gulens movement made a very bad name for them btw.

                        there are secular, modern, mainly nationalist (but not a race based nationalism) people who didnt took the streets last yesterday (including me) these people are voting CHP because there are no viable alternative to keep akp at a relative bay.

                        yesterday all mosques read "Sela". a prayer which is read in times of war or mass mobilisation (like 1915 Dardanelles)

                        akp organised buses to transport people to the strategic locations....we did not went in because it was too dangerous, it could be a civil war... so we stayed home...

                        so a strong CHP is needed desperately...
                        Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none; be able for thine enemy rather in power than use; and keep thy friend under thine own life's key; be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech.

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                        • #87
                          there was F16's roaming in the sky attacking TBMM... at the same hours erdo's private jet took off and came to Istanbul... and no F16 tried to shot down him?

                          isnt it a bit weird?
                          Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none; be able for thine enemy rather in power than use; and keep thy friend under thine own life's key; be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Big K View Post
                            there was F16's roaming in the sky attacking TBMM... at the same hours erdo's private jet took off and came to Istanbul... and no F16 tried to shot down him?

                            isnt it a bit weird?
                            Not really; bad planning, lack of GCI vectoring, reports he was fleeing, no idea which jet he was in...

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                            In the absence of evidence, more compelling than a bad job, calling this bloody yet bungled coup a false flag is pushing it.

                            Why did Turkish coup plot fail?
                            By Paul Kirby BBC News

                            16 July 2016
                            http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36814044

                            For several hours on Friday night hundreds of Turkish soldiers appeared to have taken control of key areas of the main cities of Ankara and Istanbul.

                            There was little sign of President Recep Erdogan as the plotters took over buildings and media outlets. They needed to secure the support of the public and especially the majority of the military.

                            Prime Minister Binali Yildirim appeared to be leading resistance to the coup, but as most Turks know, it is President Erdogan who wields the power and has designs on extending it.

                            If the coup was going to succeed, the conspirators had to keep him out of the picture and they were unable to do so. "I am the chief commander," he said later.

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                            Erdogan denounces coup attempt

                            International reaction

                            In pictures: Turkey coup attempt
                            When the tide turned

                            For hours it was unclear where President Erdogan was. Reports said he was on holiday at the Aegean resort of Marmaris, deep in Turkey's south-west.

                            The tide turned when the president flew into Istanbul's Ataturk airport and gave a defiant news conference.

                            The moment he touched base in Istanbul it was clear the government was regaining control and had the support of senior military figures.

                            Ankara, where his palace and the government are based, was not yet secure, but in Istanbul he was able to address Turkey directly.
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                            Image caption Arriving at Ataturk airport in Istanbul, President Erdogan was greeted by hundreds of supporters

                            It had been "an act of treason and rebellion", he told reporters. Ilnur Cevik, a senior presidential adviser, told the BBC soon afterwards that the coup had been defeated by the will of the Turkish population.

                            "It's very clear there was a coup attempt but rapidly the situation turned in favour of the government and Erdogan asked the people to flock into the streets in Ankara and Istanbul and that's what they did."

                            It was the Turkish people who reclaimed Ataturk airport from the military and the people who took back state TV and radio from the military, he said.
                            Controlling the message

                            In reality, the soldiers who took over the studios at TRT had rebuffed a civilian attempt to force them out, and the coup ringleaders were able to continue broadcasting their message.

                            A "Peace Council" had taken power and a curfew was in place, they said.
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                            Media captionTurkey's state TV reads army group's statement

                            Another broadcaster, CNN Turk, also went off air when soldiers walked into a studio control room and social media outlets were disrupted.

                            But the plotters' control of media outlets was not to last and even before he had arrived at Ataturk airport President Erdogan contacted CNN Turk and appeared in a video call, urging Turks to take to the streets.

                            The president may have been lucky. He said the hotel where he had been staying was bombed after he had left and his secretary general had been seized.
                            Did the coup have widespread military support?

                            For the coup to have succeeded it required backing across the armed forces. A large number of soldiers may have been involved, and in several Turkish cities.

                            Tanks took to the streets and the bridge across the Bosphorus in Istanbul was taken over.
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                            But the chief of staff, Gen Hulusi Akar, was not part of the coup, nor was the head of the army in Istanbul, who took command while Gen Akar was being held by the plotters.

                            The navy chief and special forces commander also spoke out against the uprising and F-16 fighter jets attacked some of the rebel tanks.

                            "This attempted coup collapsed before it even started," said Fadi Hakura of UK-based Chatham House, who said it was amateurish and failed to attract broad military support.

                            There was no political or public backing either. The opposition secular CHP said Turkey had seen enough coups and did not want "these difficulties repeated". The nationalist MHP also rallied behind the government.
                            Who were the plotters?

                            They are a faction within the army, and military figures say they are a small group within the First Army, whose headquarters is in Istanbul.

                            "They didn't represent the vast majority of the military," says Fadi Hakura, who believes their failure is evidence coups no longer enjoy the broad support they once did in Turkey.

                            Recep Tayyip Erdogan has long warned against potential coups and in recent years his government has attempted to purge the military and police of figures it suspects of agitating against his Islamist-rooted AK Party.
                            Could it have all been planned in America?

                            President Erdogan has for years accused a former ally, Fethullah Gulen, of plotting against him. The pair fell out and Mr Gulen went into self-imposed exile into the US.

                            And it did not take long for the president to blame "the parallel state", a clear reference to his rival.

                            The Gulen movement itself denied involvement. A pro-Gulen group said it found the attempted coup "strange and interesting" but rejected any attack on democracy, fearing renewed attacks on its movement.

                            However, the government quickly acted to suspend five generals and 29 colonels who they said were linked to the "parallel state", Turkish Anadolu news agency reported.
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                            To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by troung View Post
                              Are they within a chain of command to get more troops?
                              How about don't do it? Good God, they were outnumbered by the Police and cut off from support.
                              Chimo

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                              • #90
                                How about don't do it? Good God, they were outnumbered by the Police and cut off from support.
                                I guess they hoped the snow ball would roll. Gather what forces you can in secret with officers you know well; a company here, battalion there, armoured squadron or two and give it the college try.
                                Suspected Turkey Coup Leader Served as Military Attaché to Israel
                                http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/turkey/1.731349
                                General Akin Öztürk, who served as commander of Turkey's air force, was arrested Saturday in connection with the failed coup. At least five other generals were detained.
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                                In this photo, Turkish Air Force General Akin Ozturk is seen on the far right.Burhan Ozbilici, AP

                                Six senior army commanders were arrested in connection with the failed coup that began Friday night, including General Akin Öztürk, who in the 1990s was the Turkish military attaché to Israel, a Turkish official told reporters.

                                Öztürk, who later served as the commander of Turkey's air force, served in his country's Tel Aviv embassy from 1998 to 2000. The 64-year-old military figure stepped down as air force commander last year, but continued to serve on Turkey's Supreme Military Council.

                                Though now considered an archenemy of Turkish authorities, particularly of its president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, prior to Friday's coup attempt he was a celebrated military leader, boasting medals from his own air force as well as from NATO, the Israeli news website Ynet noted.

                                The Turkish prosecutor's office has announced that Gen. Öztürk and his alleged partners would be tried on charges of treason. Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim reportedly told Turkish public television that the plotters would not be subject to the death penalty, since it is outlawed by the Turkish constitution, but added that constitutional changes would be considered in an effort to head off future coups.
                                Akın ÖztürkWikicommons

                                At least five other generals were detained in connection with the coup, including the commander of the Second Army, General Adem Huduti, the most senior officer to be apprehended so far. The Second Army, based in Malatya, protects Turkey's borders with Syria, Iraq and Iran. The Malatya Garrison Commander Avni Angun, and the third army commander Erdal Öztürk were also detained, Hurriyet reported.

                                A Turkish official said Saturday that those behind the attempted coup had been preparing for some time to overthrow the Turkish government. They had planned, for example, which military officers would take over as governors and as the heads of government agencies, the official said, but moved their plans forward due to an upcoming meeting of the Supreme Military Council, which convenes every August to consider military appointments and retirements.

                                Those behind the coup were concerned that they would be removed from their positions at next month's meeting, the official said. The coup planners' immediate goal, the official added, was to seize control of key locations, such as a bridge over the Bosphorus and Taksim Square in Istanbul and key institutions in the capital, Ankara, including the presidential palace, parliament and the intelligence agency. They also attempted to take over communications infrastructure and actually managed to seize telecommunications facilities in some locations, the official said.

                                Turkish police on Saturday also apprehended two members of the country's constitutional court, the most senior judicial figures among scores detained so far following the coup. At the same time, Turkish authorities have also arrested 10 members of the Council of State, the country's top administrative court, and are searching for 140 members of the court of cassation, broadcaster NTV reported. Turkish authorities ordered 2,745 judges and prosecutors to be detained.

                                Forces loyal to Turkey's government fought on Saturday to crush the last remnants of a military coup attempt which collapsed after crowds answered President Tayyip Erdogan's call to take to the streets and dozens of rebels abandoned their tanks.

                                One hundred and sixty-one people were killed, including many civilians, after a faction of the armed forces tried to seize power using tanks and attack helicopters. Some strafed the headquarters of Turkish intelligence and parliament in the capital, Ankara, and others seized a major bridge in Istanbul.

                                Erdogan accused the coup plotters of trying to kill him and launched a purge of the armed forces, which last used force to stage a successful coup more than 30 years ago.

                                One government minister said some military commanders were still being held hostage by the plotters. But the government declared the situation fully under control, saying 2,839 people had been rounded up from foot soldiers to senior officers, including those who had formed "the backbone" of the rebellion.
                                The military’s last stand: What went wrong for Turkey’s coup plotters

                                Simon A. Waldman

                                Contributed to The Globe and Mail

                                Published Saturday, Jul. 16, 2016 12:40PM EDT

                                Last updated Saturday, Jul. 16, 2016 4:10PM EDT
                                http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opini...ticle30947133/

                                Simon A. Waldman is the author, with Emre Caliskan, of the forthcoming The ‘New Turkey’ and its Discontents.

                                Late into the evening of July 15, as many Turks prepared for the weekend ahead, a faction of Turkey’s powerful military launched an attempted coup. However, less than 24 hours later, it is clear that the government has regained control of the country.

                                All the tell-tale signs of a successful coup were there. The military seized roads and bridges. Troops blocked Istanbul’s Ataturk Airport, the third-busiest aviation terminal in Europe. It even took control of the means of communication, entering several media outlets, including the state broadcaster TRT as well as Turk Telecom. The plotters even broadcast a message that they were now in control of the country. Military aircraft were heard buzzing overhead, bombing government targets from the sky.

                                ANALYSIS: Once again, army rises up against pro-Islamic government in Turkey

                                This begs the question: What went wrong for the coup plotters? Why, unlike the three previous coups of 1960, 1971 and 1980 (and a “postmodern” coup of 1997 when the prime minister was told in no uncertain terms that it was time to leave) were the July 2016 coup plotters unable to see their plans to fruition?

                                Since the rise of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s AKP party, the power of the military has been eroded. Fearing coup plots, the AKP sought to reduce the army’s power. This was especially the case after 2007 and through to 2013 when arrests were made against alleged coup plotters within the military’s ranks and led to the later Ergenekon and Balyoz trials and convictions. Although the convictions were later nullified, the case left the military battered, scarred, even demoralized.

                                But not only were the Ergenekon and Balyoz cases alleged plots against the AKP government, they also represented deep schisms within the ranks of the military. In memoirs by leading military cadres and leaked documents, it’s revealed that younger officers had formed cliques and inner circles that challenged the authority of the upper echelons of the armed forces because they were angered that leading generals seemed impotent against the rise of the AKP, considered by some to have an Islamic anti-secular agenda.

                                Years of European Union-oriented reforms since 2001 also crippled the military’s grip on Turkish society. The military once held sway over the country’s foreign policy through the National Security Council. However, the military’s influence over that body was weakened with civilian politicians having a larger presence and more power in its decisions. Soon, the military saw itself losing control over other civilian state bodies, such as the Council of Higher Education and the Radio and Television Supreme Council.

                                OPINION: A military coup is not Turkey's solution

                                As the military was losing its grip on state institutions, the AKP and Mr. Erdogan were gaining it. They purged the civil services of its enemies, both secularists and those considered part of the Gulen movement, followers of the preacher Fethullah Gulen who resides in the United States in self-imposed exile. The same was true of the police forces and the judiciary. These crackdowns intensified after the Gezi Park protests of 2013 and the leaking of tapes alleging corruption among AKP politicians. In other words, the AKP had stamped its authority over the state. The media was also targeted to the point where nearly every outlet, with some exceptions, carries a pro-government line.

                                Friday night’s attempted coup was carried out by a clique within the military that consisted of five generals and 25 colonels. While they managed to utilize some aircraft and take key institutions such as the airport, bridges and media outlets, they were few in number. Only around 50 soldiers took one of the Bosphorus bridges in Istanbul. Just dozens captured the airport and Turk Telecom. In other words, the takings of strategic locations were more show than substance. The assumption being that the plotters hoped that they would see an outpouring of public support. Instead, the opposite happened. All opposition parties condemned the coup attempt. Mr. Erdogan managed to appear in the media (initially through FaceTime and then public addresses) to rally the masses. Mosques led calls to prayer that urged citizens to march against the military’s presence, and the police forces attacked the military’s presence supported by thousands of protesters. Within hours, it was all over.

                                The decline of the military had already been achieved before this latest coup attempt. The latest developments are the military’s swan song. In the coming weeks and months ahead, its cadres will be purged, arrested, put on trial and replaced. Some will face charges of treason. The army is now a spent force in Turkish politics.
                                Last edited by troung; 17 Jul 16,, 02:48.
                                To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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