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    The Turkish intelligence agency MIT has handed a list of 500 observation targets in Germany (300 individuals and 200 Gülen-related organizations) over to German counterpart BND, supposedly in an attempt to find support in their activities and sorta make them approved. The attempt to garner such approval follows arrests of several MIT agents in Germany over the past few weeks and months. The list consists of full observation files including in many cases covertly taken photos and such.

    Given recent developments, the BND - or rather, it's head, Bruno Kahl - instead forwarded the list to the government and counter-espionage agencies. Since then the targets have been informed, criminal police and counterespionage is on the lookout and the federal attorney has opened formal investigations - a step that in recent decades was pretty much reserved for the CIA only. Kahl - as head of the BND - is the same guy who previously publicly stated that Germany does not have any evidence whatsoever that the Gülen movement was involved in any way in the coup.

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    The list of observation targets include Michelle Müntefering, wife of former vice chancellor Franz Müntefering and herself both an elected Bundestag rep, chairwoman of the German-Turkish parliamentary committee and member of the foreign affairs parliamentary committee. For political parity there's also a CDU politician on the list.

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    One current line of thinking in security circles in Germany is that MIT might have handed over the list for counter-counter-espionage purposes; i.e. to discover counter-espionage efforts by German domestic intelligence by planting agents with supposed activity on that list, thinking Germany would send counter-espionage teams to evaluate people on the list. This - counter-counter-counter-espionage reasons - is also why most state domestic intelligence services handed the lists - in a simplified format - over to state police forces instead of risking their own staff.

    Walked by a "Hayir!" booth today advertising voting No on the referendum btw. Most Turks in the city don't risk being seen near it. The Kurdish booths not quite advertising for both PKK and Rojava that are usually in the same place tend to have a lot more people attending. And grim-faced, grey-haired Turks across the street watching who steps near those like hawk...err, wolves would probably be the better word.
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    Relationship between Turkey and Germany is about to take another dip in the next couple days - Turkey has arrested six German human-rights activists within days of arrival in Turkey along with others, including the Turkish director of Amnesty International (claiming they're with Gülen). German foreign minister already grilled the Turkish ambassador for over an hour. Comes on the heel of Turkey denying a visit of the Parliamentary Defense Committee to German soldiers with NATO AWACS stationed in Konya.

    Possible measures currently being discussed would mostly hit the tourist industry; the coup itself already led to German tourist numbers in Turkey dropping from 5.6 to 2.6 million from 2015 to 2016. While there is a travel warning in place, the foreign ministry is discussing upgrading this to equivalent level to Iraq.

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    • Travel advice issued (not a warning yet). Pretty much advises that if traveling to Turkey you can be arrested at random and will not
    • All arms export agreements with Turkey put on hold (not that there are really that many, we're talking 90 million per year)
    • Schäuble has compared Turkey politically with the German Democratic Republic.
    • At least one German TV network has suspended airing advertising for Turkish companies.
    • Government guarantees to companies for exports to Turkey are under review.
    • EU financial aid to Turkey is under review.
    • Addendum: Chief of Domestic Intelligence calls Turkey "an enemy regarding influence operations in Germany" - and backdates that estimation to the coup


    Erdogan in response blasts Turkey for "harboring terrorists".

    Merkel meanwhile went on vacation in Italy, while Gabriel - having interrupted his vacaton - handles the situation on the German side.
    Last edited by kato; 21 Jul 17, at 14:58.

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