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  • Erdo is bad for his after the act reactions. What do you guys think his opponents would've do?
    No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

    To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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    • Once the coup began, it was going to be a dictatorship. Either Erdogan's or a military one. This whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. If it ain't for the good people I know there, I would be tempted to say a pox on all your houses. Your house. Your rules. Your mess.

      I just hope all those we care about would be ok.
      Chimo

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      • Hardly the 19th century, but would be kind of awesome.

        http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-vanished.html
        Turkey Denies Its Warships Vanished
        Depending on who you believe, a powerful NATO ally just lost a big chunk of its navy—or everything is just totally hunky dory. Move along.

        In the aftermath of Friday’s failed military coup in Turkey, 14 Turkish navy warships allegedly crewed by rebel sympathizers, reportedly slipped from their moorings or departed their scheduled patrol zones and disappeared into the Aegean and Black Seas, effectively gutting one of Europe’s most powerful navies and initiating one of the most widespread naval mutinies in modern history.

        At least, that’s what one newspaper is claiming. Other sources have questioned the allegations of a Turkish naval exodus. And the Turkish government is flatly denying to The Daily Beast that any vessels are missing.

        To be sure, thousands of Turkish military personnel actively or passively supported the July 15 attempt to overthrow the government of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Rebel tanks rolled down city streets. Fighter jets commandeered by putsch organizers shot up government installations and reportedly came close to intercepting Erdoğan’s jet as the president hurried to Istanbul from a vacation on the Mediterranean coast.

        Just one naval vessel—the missile-armed frigate Yavuz—was confirmed as being seized by rebels at the height of the coup attempt. Rebels briefly gained control of the 300-foot-long MEKO-class warship at Golcuk naval base near Istanbul on July 16. Two loyalist warships reportedly moored alongside the frigate, essentially “sandwiching” it and preventing it from leaving port. Pro-government troops recaptured Yavuz the same day rebels seized it.

        According to Hannah Lucinda Smith, a reporter for The Times newspaper, 14 other ships “remained at sea and unaccounted for” as late as July 18. There were, Smith wrote, “concerns that their commanders may be coup conspirators seeking to defect.” Earlier, eight putsch plotters had reportedly fled to Greece in a Turkish military Blackhawk helicopter. And on Wednesday, the Turkish government sent jet fighters to investigate two Turkish coast guard vessels that mysteriously appeared in Greek water, according to media reports.

        If Smith's claim is true, those 14 ships could represent a significant proportion of Turkish power. In all, the Turkish navy numbers some 150 vessels, including 37 large frigates, corvettes and submarines. Smith did not specify which ships she claimed as missing.

        Other media quickly republished Smith’s claim, and by Wednesday the allegedly missing ships had made headlines all over the world. But experts—and the Turkish government itself—questioned Smith’s reporting. “We can confirm that the report is absolutely untrue,” Lt. Sezgin Arslan, a spokesman at Turkish navy headquarters in Ankara, told The Daily Beast. “There is no missing vessel in Turkish naval forces.”

        It would not be entirely out of character for the Turkish government to lie about the status of its forces in order to avoid embarrassment and to rob surviving putsch plotters of any public support they might still enjoy. In the days following the abortive coup, Erdoğan’s administration cracked down on media it perceived as being sympathetic to the rebels, canceling the broadcast licenses of television and radio stations and blocking access to Wikileaks, which had responded to the coup by releasing hundreds of thousands of leaked emails from Erdoğan’s Justice and Development Party.

        But independent experts also said they doubt Smith’s missing-ships claim. “My sources find it hard to believe,” Iain Ballantyne, editor of Warships International Fleet Review magazine, told The Daily Beast.

        Devrim Yaylali, a Turkish naval expert and blogger who closely tracks ship movements in the Black Sea, likewise was skeptical. “Warships’ commanders are taught and trained to operate alone and independently,” he pointed out to The Daily Beast. “Thus they do disappear when the mission dictates.” But that doesn’t mean their crews have mutinied.

        Besides, Turkish warships spend most of their time in the Black Sea and the Aegean, making it hard for them to truly disappear from sight over any meaningful period of time. “Both Black Sea and the Aegean are small seas and both Greece and Russia are closely monitoring Turkish naval activities,” Yaylali said. “If there was something wrong with our ships, they would rejoice to publish it.”

        Smith told The Daily Beast she stands by her reporting but declined to detail her sources. It could be impossible to independently verify her claim until those purportedly missing warships make obvious public appearances—or show up in Greek harbors, their rebellious sailors begging for safe haven from the country they’ve fled.
        To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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        • Turkish daily newspaper with close Erdogan ties says former NATO commander in Afghanistan and retired U.S. Army General John Campbell was the mastermind of the coup attempt.

          Assuming they're making shit up, is Erdogan blaming a NATO commander for a pretext to withdraw Turkey from NATO?

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          • What's in it for him and the country?
            No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

            To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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            • Originally posted by Doktor View Post
              What's in it for him and the country?
              He can ignore European concerns regarding Syria and migrants, and is now allies with Russia?

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              • Originally posted by rj1 View Post
                He can ignore European concerns regarding Syria and migrants, and is now allies with Russia?
                He can do that from within. NATO is a better ally btw
                No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                • Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                  NATO is a better ally btw
                  Then why is he accusing an ally's retired general and former NATO commander of organizing the coup attempt? "With friends like Erdogan, who needs enemies?"

                  I think the notion of Turkey being friends with Western Europe died when Sarkozy told them "I'll never allow you into the EU." From that point forward, Westernism declined and has never come back.
                  Last edited by rj1; 25 Jul 16,, 21:01.

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                  • i didnt see anything about this in here...
                    Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none; be able for thine enemy rather in power than use; and keep thy friend under thine own life's key; be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech.

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                    • Journalists next on the list?

                      I will say one thing and that is look at all those people reading a paper. Don't see that in the US anymore.

                      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36881943

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                      • Originally posted by rj1 View Post
                        Then why is he accusing an ally's retired general and former NATO commander of organizing the coup attempt? "With friends like Erdogan, who needs enemies?"

                        I think the notion of Turkey being friends with Western Europe died when Sarkozy told them "I'll never allow you into the EU." From that point forward, Westernism declined and has never come back.
                        Pressure to get Gullen?
                        No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                        To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                        • Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                          Pressure to get Gullen?
                          I may not think much of Obama, but he's not that spineless, and Erdogan would have to know that.

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                          • i really really dont want to believe that US is backing gulen.

                            as everyone knows that i am no fan of erdo & his akp. But gulen is worse...

                            btw the rumours and the conspiracy theories in the street has it that it was CIA who is backing him. people think that afterall without US approval he couldnt expand his network all over the world.

                            today in every newspaper there is a call from gulen saying "dont extradite us, we as the moderate muslims are always in the service of West"

                            you all can imagine what would be the effect of this call...
                            Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none; be able for thine enemy rather in power than use; and keep thy friend under thine own life's key; be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech.

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                            • http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...ing-coup-hoax/

                              Turkey’s justice minister has confirmed that police will be investigating individuals who expressed a belief or shared content that furthers the idea that President Recep Tayyip Erdogan staged a coup attempt against himself in order to orchestrate a purge of opposition in the military.
                              In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                              Leibniz

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                              • Originally posted by Big K View Post
                                i really really dont want to believe that US is backing gulen.
                                Then don't believe it.

                                Originally posted by Big K View Post
                                btw the rumours and the conspiracy theories in the street has it that it was CIA who is backing him. people think that afterall without US approval he couldnt expand his network all over the world.

                                today in every newspaper there is a call from gulen saying "dont extradite us, we as the moderate muslims are always in the service of West"

                                you all can imagine what would be the effect of this call...
                                It's called the freedom of expression. Within the US, Gulen has every right to call Erdogan every freaking name in the book and then some. He also has the right to say what Erdogan is doing wrong. He also has the right to say what he will do instead.

                                What he does not have a right to is to murder or even conspire to commit murder. However, that Erdogan has to prove. Not that Gulen called him a freaking dumbass dickhead with dillusions of grandeur.

                                The US ain't backing Gulen. She's backing a founding principle of her heritage - that you don't have a right not to be called a dickhead.
                                Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 26 Jul 16,, 12:57.
                                Chimo

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