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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    Indian armed forces are not interested in solving the issue?

    That would equal "Indian military commanders look forward to more deaths among their lines". I call a BS.

    Moreover, they can't do much without a political backing.
    The indian armed forces doesn't want the Kashmir problem to be solved because it is consider as unity factor(anti Pakistan) for a diverse country like india and they can blackmail the govt for more funds and the world for military buildup.

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    The People of Kashmir don't consider themselves as Indian as it is illegally occupied by its indian army and unfortunately the inhuman actions against the Kashmiri are supported by the citizen of indian as is evident from the post of our Indian members in this thread.

    In the recent protest Pakistani flag is raised but the indian media have blamed ISI and made a propaganda that they are pelting stone for just 500 Rs.I don't know who would want to get killed for just 5$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    The Indian political establishment have been stabbed in the back every time they tried reaching out to the Paks. Vajpayee was on a Pak trip, we got Kargil. Modi touched down to meet Sharif in Pak, we were rewarded with Pathankot attack. We got 26/11, numerous attacks of Pak sponsored terrorism. 100s of civilians and security forces dead.

    And Dok, unlike Pak, the Indian security forces have to follow Government diktat. There's no doubt about it. But, how much is enough?
    The indian govt might be sincere but within the Indian army there are elements that don't want peace with Pakistan.These elements are influenced by Hindutva ideology and they consider not just Pakistanis but even the indian muslims as foreign in this subcontinent.

    I agree many indian leaders had approached Pakistan for Peace but the hindutva elements within the army sabotage the efforts by false flag operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    And, India hits back at Pak again, says it is 'fanning discontent' in Kashmir

    US State Department said it is an internal Indian issue.

    Meanwhile, General Raheel condemns brutal killing of Kashmiri youth by Indian authorities. I feel the pain, the pet slave got killed.
    For Pakistan it is not internal issue of India as Kashmir is a disputed territory and we consider Kashmiris as Pakistanis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barangai View Post
    The indian armed forces doesn't want the Kashmir problem to be solved because it is consider as unity factor(anti Pakistan) for a diverse country like india and they can blackmail the govt for more funds and the world for military buildup.
    Indian Armed Forces doesn't run India, like Pak Army. Yes, we are building up, building up for your daddy China.

    Quote Originally Posted by barangai View Post
    The People of Kashmir don't consider themselves as Indian as it is illegally occupied by its indian army and unfortunately the inhuman actions against the Kashmiri are supported by the citizen of indian as is evident from the post of our Indian members in this thread.

    In the recent protest Pakistani flag is raised but the indian media have blamed ISI and made a propaganda that they are pelting stone for just 500 Rs.I don't know who would want to get killed for just 5$.
    Actually, PoK is illegally occupied, if UN resolutions are concerned. And for any plebiscite to happen, that resolution states that Pakistan should remove it's forces from PoK first.

    As about the flag raising thing, ISI paid thugs are a lot in Kashmir. Don't worry, we're exterminating them like rats. Poor thugs, died for just $5.

    Quote Originally Posted by barangai View Post
    The indian govt might be sincere but within the Indian army there are elements that don't want peace with Pakistan.These elements are influenced by Hindutva ideology and they consider not just Pakistanis but even the indian muslims as foreign in this subcontinent.

    I agree many indian leaders had approached Pakistan for Peace but the hindutva elements within the army sabotage the efforts by false flag operation.
    Do you know what you're saying? 26/11, Parliament attack and the numerous attacks are false flag ops?

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    @barangai

    Had kashmir descended into a state of actual civil war(mass dissent against indian rule), the indian govt would have sounded an emergency and entire muslim villages would have been moved to camps for surveillance.

    Contrary to it, New delhi understands that the chaos in some parts of kashmir is primarily caused by high decibel propaganda from a small demography within a district. New delhi not even tolerates these loonies but also grins quietly when they trash their own district.

    Kashmir is unlike your(pakistans) situation with balochistan. If civilian descent was the benchmark, pakistan would loose balochistan far quicker than india would loose kashmir. To be very specific, those effected districts in the kashmir valley are patrolled by the indian police; not the indian army. Is the gravity of the situation clear to you now? If insurgents and their separatist ideology can't "break even" within the muslim population of the valley then jammu and ladakh is a distant dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barangai View Post
    For Pakistan it is not internal issue of India as Kashmir is a disputed territory and we consider Kashmiris as Pakistanis.
    Kashmir is not disputed, it's Indian territory, the whole lot. We still have the instrument of accession. And my Pakistani friend, what Pakistan considers and what the ground realities are, are two different things. Maybe you have not read the links I have posted. For your urgent attention:
    Enlist Pakistan as state sponsor of terrorism: US Congress committee

    To remind you of history, the situation is similar to 1993, when the US was very close to declaring Pakistan a state sponsor of terrorism, that too because of Pak Army's policy of sneaking terrorists in India. It's open source, google it and read it very carefully.

    Also, you guys break your fast on Ramzan by looking at the moon, right? We're planning to send humans there by 2020. Doesn't make the moon a Pakistani territory. Think objectively, Pakistanis in US have to pretend they are Indians to get interview calls and jobs, that is what Pakistan is reduced to. In US they pretend to be the enemy, they so want to kill. Pakistani passport is like a curse. Not a single word of sympathy or help from any nation. But your army won't change, because that's what keeps their coffers full. Kayani and Musharraf have foreign bank accounts as reported by your media. And sadly, the subjects lap it up.

    You need to stop your propaganda, conspiracy theories and your covert support for terrorism against India. It's not going to end well.
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    “Seven hundred thousand Indian soldiers deployed in Occupied Kashmir could not suppress the struggle of Kashmiris,” Said Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Radio Pakistan.
    The pakistani prime minister wants the pakistani people to believe that the kashmir situation is so huge that the indian govt sent in the army. The ground reality is that the streets are patrolled by the indian police while the indian army is busy stationed primarily at the border facing pakistan and china.

    Valley politicians have dug its society into a hole of unrest and chaos. They want new delhi to bail it out of a situation it can no longer control.

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    So about half of entire Indian armed forces are in Kashmir? Hmmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    So about half of entire Indian armed forces are in Kashmir? Hmmm...
    The "700000 Indian Soldiers in kashmir OMG!!!" line is a lie vomited over and over by every Pakistani leader and scribe, employing their usual philosophy of lie, lie till you succeed.

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    But it's a BS statement. Who'd buy it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    But it's a BS statement. Who'd buy it?
    The Pakistani subjects. The Pak Army has to have some support base, right?

    I say subjects because Pakistan is ruled by a military dictator, a King of all kings. They change every 5-7 years. They fucked up the education system replacing narratives in textbooks to subjects of hate since 1972, which describes 1 Muslim = 10 Hindus, and preaches hate about Hindus, Christians, Jews. It preaches hate for the Ahmedis, the Shias, the Sufis. Except for the Sunni Punjabis.

    The Army & ISI owns every arse in Pakistan, including the PMs. And the ISPR is their propaganda machine. And they are really good.

    Mysterious banners urging COAS to take over put up across country

    Why do you think even after the thrashing and humiliation in US congress, barangai tried? They don't mind failing, they never did. Courage, valor, shame is not in any Pakistani dictionary. Not since 1948/65/71/99, but they still try sincerely. And Dok, you're a senior guy here. If you have not followed Pakistan, even after 9/11, I don't know what you did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    So about half of entire Indian armed forces are in Kashmir? Hmmm...
    Yeah, and the China border is being taken care of by our 1.3 crore Gods. Not to speak of the North-East. IA is 1.35 million, and Pakistan is too insignificant to have 700,000 there in Kashmir. It's just not needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    But it's a BS statement. Who'd buy it?
    Maybe the pakistanis genuinely can't tell the difference between an indian army man and an indian CRPF policemen. They do look alike and can give a wrong impression

    CRPF policemen


    Army men

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    So about half of entire Indian armed forces are in Kashmir? Hmmm...
    Pakistan started circulating that BS all over internet and it's funny that they increased those false figures upto 7,00,000 now.

    Indian Army is 1 Million in total and it's simply not possible to concentrate that much in one small state.The actual deployment is not even half and out of that most is on LoC. The security forces which usually tackle Kashmir Valley is majorily supported by J&K Police who mostly are Kashmiris.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    But it's a BS statement. Who'd buy it?
    Pakistanis and the others who like to stay in a brainwashed state of denial.

    Let me tell few FACTS which Pakistanis would NEVER tell but keep circulating BS all over internet as per the 50-Cent ISI Dept.

    If we see the track record of Pakistan since 1947, then it's simply created out of Extremist Religious indoctrination which led to 1 Million dead in the worst riots ever.Then they killed 1-3 Million Bangladeshis and did mass rapes of 200,000 Bangla women, they created Terrorism through hired Tribal Mercenaries in Kashmir + Indian Punjab which resulted in 100,000 deaths.Indian Punjab successfully defeated pakistani supported Terrorism.

    Pakistanis refuse to evacuate Balochistan which it occupies by force since 1947, there are big human rights violation and we all know what in a Army controlled country the media is hushed up.There is a Genocide of tens of thousands of Baloch people.

    Pakistanis would cry all over Human Rights but they are the worst violaters of Human Rights.They are not just killing Hindus/Christians but also Shias/Ahmedias/Hazaras.They are following a Wahabi extremist Sunni ideology where every Non-Sunni has to be killed.The Terrorism of Pakistan has started inflicting injury to itself and they cry being victims but as a FACT Pakistan is the creator and epicenter of Terrorism. Since they can't solve their own problem they blame others.They bully Afghans and occupying the land of Durand Line

    Just look at this FACT where all major terrorists are killed in Pakistan including #1 OBL.



    @barangai : Can you start a thread on Human rights violations in Balochistan and when are you going to vacate it? You just did a SELF-GOAL by declaring Terrorist Burhan as marty and 19 Jul as a Black day.You simply accepted your hand in creating ad supporting Terrorism as a State Policy.When you come on a international forum make sure you have FACTS and not BS created by ISI 50-cent Dept.

    Not just Balochistan but all of Pakistan is a disputed territory, the reason there is Military rule since all would break up pretty soon into many free countries like Bangladesh in case there is any real Democracy set up.

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