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    "If Vietnam's latest deployment is targeting China, that would be a terrible mistake. We hope Vietnam will remember and draw some lessons from history." - The 1978 war?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chanjyj View Post
    "If Vietnam's latest deployment is targeting China, that would be a terrible mistake. We hope Vietnam will remember and draw some lessons from history." - The 1978 war?
    which lasted 27 days and was a lesson in humility for china
    vietnam hadn't been cowed by that in the "1988" war either

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    Quote Originally Posted by gf0012-aust View Post
    vietnam hadn't been cowed by that in the "1988" war either
    Yes, they were. In a one day battle, they lost an entire regiment. The Chinese had improved and the Vietnamese deteriorated. The fact that they could only muster one single regiment after a six month occupation of Vietnamese hills by the PLA said how far they've fallened.

    However, the Chinese reference could be the reference the two incidents in which Chinese and Vietnamese naval vessels exchanged fire, 1974 and 1988, both times, the Vietnamese came up short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    Yes, they were. In a one day battle, they lost an entire regiment. The Chinese had improved and the Vietnamese deteriorated. The fact that they could only muster one single regiment after a six month occupation of Vietnamese hills by the PLA said how far they've fallened.

    However, the Chinese reference could be the reference the two incidents in which Chinese and Vietnamese naval vessels exchanged fire, 1974 and 1988, both times, the Vietnamese came up short.
    they're still prepared to mix it up with china if pushed - the other contenders are nowhere near their moxy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    Yes, they were. In a one day battle, they lost an entire regiment. The Chinese had improved and the Vietnamese deteriorated. The fact that they could only muster one single regiment after a six month occupation of Vietnamese hills by the PLA said how far they've fallened.

    However, the Chinese reference could be the reference the two incidents in which Chinese and Vietnamese naval vessels exchanged fire, 1974 and 1988, both times, the Vietnamese came up short.
    1974 was Sino-South Vietnam, wasn't it?

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    Yes.
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    i was under the impression that both militaries had deteriorated since 1979 but it was just the vietnamese had deteriorated more. the 1980s weren't kind to the PLA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    i was under the impression that both militaries had deteriorated since 1979 but it was just the vietnamese had deteriorated more. the 1980s weren't kind to the PLA.
    They were better than they were in 1979 if only because they started putting competent officers in charge and started firing/retiring incompetent ones.

    In the 2nd Sino-Vietnam War, PLA officers were combat veterans, reading the Vietnamese right on more than one occasion. The PLA never made contact with the Vietnamese regiment they destroyed. They guess the time and place of the infiltration and just decided to rain steel down. It was only after that they sent out patrols that they discovered Vietnamese bodies.

    And it was years after that they learned they killed an entire regiment and that was because Hanoi published it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    He no doubt speaks truth. Yet, given China's stubborn intransigent and not wanting to now lose face, this stands a good chance of coming true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbm3fan View Post
    He no doubt speaks truth. Yet, given China's stubborn intransigent and not wanting to now lose face, this stands a good chance of coming true.
    This Vietnamese Base Will Decide the South China Sea's Fate

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    Chinese Views on the SCS Arbitration Case between the PRC and the Philippines

    Chinese Views on the South China Sea Arbitration Case between the People’s Republic of China and the Philippines
    by Michael D. Swaine
    via China Leadership Monitor
    Tuesday, August 30, 2016
    http://www.hoover.org/research/chine...blic-china-and

    The Philippines v. China arbitration case and the furor over its verdict constitute a significant development that could influence the prospects for future rivalry or cooperation in the Western Pacific. This article closely examines the viewpoints of Chinese leaders and knowledgeable observers on the arbitration case. Authoritative sources consistently indicate that China rejects the arbitration and views its verdict as detrimental to vital Chinese interests, regional stability, and international legal order. China’s categorical rejection speaks to the fundamental Sino-Western division over the application of international agreements to sovereignty issues and indicates that any effort by the US or other powers to pressure Beijing will prove futile and most likely exacerbate existing tensions in the South China Sea.

    Full text for free at the link above.

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    Love the historical context for why the area belongs to them. Wonder why they hesitate to claim America based on the historical context that they might have possibly been here 3,000 years ago before any European.

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    An idiotic article that it even admits in the end that it said absolutely nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    An idiotic article that it even admits in the end that it said absolutely nothing.
    This is the internet disease at work. All these websites are putting up clickbaiting titles even when there's nothing new.

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