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    23rd the votes will be cast , everyone but about 2 people I have spoken to are voting out , Im making a bet it will be a resounding IN result , far too much money and devious planning has gone into this corrupt venture for it to be taken away , take the Irish vote , they had to vote again until they voted the " correct way " the Swiss have given a \/ to it , the frogs are bust ? others are keenly looking upon brexit as the starting pistol to go if we vote out and , hhmmmm "win" ? This will be the last vote i ever make for any political agenda or party ,

    FUCK THE EU , FUCK THE BBC , JUST ,FUCK OFF .THE WHOLE STINKING LYING LOT YOU ALL ARE ..

    And heres one reason im voting OUT OUT OUT .



    The KINNOCKS SECRET FORTUNE: Campaigners from Open Europe, which argues for greater transparency, calculated the Kinnock’s multi-million-pound earnings from EU allowances, wages and pension entitlements over a 15-year period. Their salaries and perks included: A total of £775,000 in wages for Mrs Kinnock and £1.85m for her husband, adding up to £2,625,000; Allowances for Mrs Kinnock’s staff and office costs of £2.9m; A £64,564 “entertainment allowance” for Lord Kinnock; A total of five publicly-funded pensions, worth £4.4m, allowing them to retire on £183,000 a year; A housing allowance that allowed them both to claim accommodation costs even though, as a married couple, they lived in the same house in the Belgian capital between 1995 and 2004.
    Kinnock’s £10 MILLION Pay Off and the EU SECRET BANK ACCOUNTS
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    When an Austrian Member of Parliament filmed EU MPs rolling up to the Parliament building in limos, engines running, nipping in and signing the attendance register and then leaving within minutes having claimed £175 for a day’s expenses, he reported it to OLAF which is the EU’s agency for fighting fraud and corruption… Trouble is, OLAF is headed by Neil Kinnock – and one of the EU MPs filmed claiming fraudulent expenses was Glenys Kinnock – instead of being busted behind bars, they were given Life Peerages and sit on a family fortune of – allegedly – £10 MILLION – and most of that is tax payers’ money!

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    Neil Kinnock was way ahead of the Opinion Polls back in 1992 and everyone fully expected Kinnock and his charming wife to go straight into Number 10 Downing Street… However, the morning after that British general election was the dawning of a nightmare – a strange drab man – JOHN MAJOR – who had accidentally ended up being an unelected Prime Minister [following a coup on Margaret Thatcher] was ushered into Downing Street…

    The morning after, Kinnock was broadcast on TV with Welsh pensioners, he could hardly hold back his tears, as it was obvious that the 1992 British general election – like so many others – had been RIGGED. Kinnock might have become somewhat of a loose canon at that point – but luckily he managed to become a multi-millionaire – courtesy of the EU and British tax payers…

    The KINNOCKS SECRET FORTUNE: Campaigners from Open Europe, which argues for greater transparency, calculated the Kinnock’s multi-million-pound earnings from EU allowances, wages and pension entitlements over a 15-year period. Their salaries and perks included: A total of £775,000 in wages for Mrs Kinnock and £1.85m for her husband, adding up to £2,625,000; Allowances for Mrs Kinnock’s staff and office costs of £2.9m; A £64,564 “entertainment allowance” for Lord Kinnock; A total of five publicly-funded pensions, worth £4.4m, allowing them to retire on £183,000 a year; A housing allowance that allowed them both to claim accommodation costs even though, as a married couple, they lived in the same house in the Belgian capital between 1995 and 2004.
    The KINNOCKS SECRET FORTUNE: Campaigners from Open Europe, which argues for greater transparency, calculated the Kinnock’s multi-million-pound earnings from EU allowances, wages and pension entitlements over a 15-year period. Their salaries and perks included: A total of £775,000 in wages for Mrs Kinnock and £1.85m for her husband, adding up to £2,625,000; Allowances for Mrs Kinnock’s staff and office costs of £2.9m; A £64,564 “entertainment allowance” for Lord Kinnock; A total of five publicly-funded pensions, worth £4.4m, allowing them to retire on £183,000 a year; A housing allowance that allowed them both to claim accommodation costs even though, as a married couple, they lived in the same house in the Belgian capital between 1995 and 2004.
    Even the Times of London expressed shock at the result… But soon after, Kinnock and his wife, and other friends and close family became mysteriously and suddenly became multi-millionaires.

    The rumours about how the 1992 general election was stage-managed and rigged evaporated as fast as the Kinnock bank account swelled into an overflowing nest egg now worth an estimated £10 million…

    "I have investigated my wife of fraud allegations, and have cleared her completely" [satire]
    “I have investigated my wife of fraud allegations, and have cleared her completely” [satire]
    Margaret Thatcher was the victim of a coup in Downing Street, following her defiance of BuckingPalace and the Royals’ love of the E.U. SuperState. Thatcher said NO! to a Federal Europe, NO! to a European Currency and NO! to handing over any more of Britain’s law-making powers to Brussels. Within hours of Thatcher’s “No, no, no!”, she was Out! Out! Out! A new gaggle of grey men in grey suits were ushered in by Buckingham Palace, they kneeled and swore allegiance to the crown, and were headed by an incestuous trio of traitors; John Major, Norma Major, and his lover Edwina Currie. Kinnock and his charming wife, disappeared. No criticism of the 1992 general election shock result was ever broadcast after that moment… And for a working class Welshman, Neil Kinnock popped up in the most amazing place: BRUSSELS!

    Every pro-European campaigner, from the era of Prime Minister Edward Heath to today's Jeremy Corbyn has known that this secret government of Europe has been planning an undemocratic EU SuperState for the last FIFTY YEARS - but not one of these people, who have earned a fortune at the expense of the British tax payer - Jeremy Corbyn included - has said a word about Bilderberg - ever.
    Every pro-European campaigner, from the era of Prime Minister Edward Heath to today’s Jeremy Corbyn has known that the Bilderberg secret government of Europe has been planning an undemocratic EU SuperState for the last FIFTY YEARS – but not one of these people, who have earned a fortune at the expense of the British tax payer – Jeremy Corbyn included – has said a word about Bilderberg – ever.
    Kinnock was set-up in the 1992 Labour Party rally which was held at the Sheffield Arena, and attended by 10,000 Labour Party members. Kinnock was seen prancing down an aisle packed with gregarious supporters and it was a triumph of the working class Welsh boy-made-good – the whole event and televised event being designed by Kinnock’s spin doctor Philip Gould, who was involved in the subsequent successful election campaign of Bill Clinton later that year. The party leader, Neil Kinnock, was flown into Sheffield by helicopter, and this, ladies and gentlemen, was the beginning of the Big Bang in Kinnock’s career – instead of becoming Prime Minister, Kinnock became an EU COMMISSIONER – appointed indirectly by Buckingham Palace with no electoral appointing system – Kinnock became a millionaire almost overnight – and was delivered a massive blow by all of a sudden having to back-manage an age-old scandal at the European SuperState – Kinnock was suddenly facing several EU employees who were exposing in books and blogs that the EU had SECRET BANK ACCOUNTS and millions of pounds of British and European tax payers’ money had mysteriously gone missing.



    Conspiracy & the Crown is an easy-read digital book for iPad & Android which is historically accurate and pulls no punches. No less than Forty-Five million people were murdered in two world wars - and the British King Edward was being groomed to become king of Hitler's 'Third Reich'… After all, 'Reich' means 'Kingdom' - and what would the Nazi Kingdom be without a King?
    Conspiracy & the Crown is an easy-read digital book for iPad & Android which is historically accurate and pulls no punches. No less than Forty-Five million people were murdered in two world wars – and the British King Edward was being groomed to become king of Hitler’s ‘Third Reich’… After all, ‘Reich’ means ‘Kingdom’ – and what would the Nazi Kingdom be without a King?
    Luckily, Neil Kinnock had his millionaire wife, Glenys, by his side in Brussels. His wife had represented Wales in the European Parliament from 1994 until 2009, where she was a member of the PES political group. Together they had to stand a torrent of investigative journalists who were investigating the EUROSTAT SCANDAL in which millions of pounds had mysteriously been paid to EU-linked companies in the tax haven of Luxembourg, and Neil Kinnock was cornered with the publication of a series of books exposing SECRET BANK ACCOUNTS by a former Dutch Member of the European Parliament, Paul Van Buitenen.

    Buitenen’s book Calling the Whistleblowers, suggested that his exposure of the multi million pound Eurostat scandal was stifled by Neil Kinnock and his associate unelected multi-millionaire EU Commissioners. Buitenen assembled an impressive dossier showing nepotism was the methodology in selecting [not electing] EU Commissioners – his dossier proved that senior EU staff working for Edith Cresson, the former French prime minister, and then appointed EU education commissioner, were engaged in fraud and the awarding of contracts to friends and relatives. Amazingly, Madame Cresson’s former dentist and close friend Rene Berthelot – registered as living at the same address – was hired as a consultant to the Commission and the dentist’s son was also awarded a EU work contract! The scandal exploded Cresson’s EU Gravy Train salary – but it was just the start of the Kinnock Family dynasty at the top banqueting table of the EU…

    Glenys and Neil Kinnock managed to out-live the Eurostat scandal until November 2006, when Glenys Kinnock was criticised in the press for “taking an EU junket” to Barbados.

    Jeremy Corbyn's top shadow minister for welfare and British Pensioners attended a top secret meeting with E.U. officials and the boss of Google - what was she doing there? What was discussed? Was she there to represent Jeremy Corbyn? Why would she - being in charge of Labour Party policy on British pensioners and benefits - be sitting around with Henry Kissinger, the boss of Scottish Power and European Bank executives?
    Jeremy Corbyn’s top shadow minister for welfare and British Pensioners attended a top secret meeting with E.U. officials and the boss of Google – what was she doing there? What was discussed? Was she there to represent Jeremy Corbyn? Why would she – being in charge of Labour Party policy on British pensioners and benefits – be sitting around with Henry Kissinger, the boss of Scottish Power and European Bank executives?


    The EU Fraudsters…

    Luckily, the free trip to Barbados scandal – all paid for by Welsh tax payers and EU citizens – was nowhere near as bad as the 2004 Expenses scandal which cited Glenys Kinnock in a statement by fellow MEP Hans-Peter Martin claiming to have caught 194 colleagues receiving the European Parliament’s attendance allowance.

    Kinnock was among those MEPs whom Hans-Peter Martin filmed leaving the EU HQ just moments after they had signed-in for the day to qualify for their £175-a-day allowance, in addition to their £70,000 salaries as MEPs…. Oh dear… That’s a crime – it’s called FRAUD.

    If you have any doubts about this being a secret government – not only of Europe, but a secret government creating a UNITED STATES of EUROPE, then consider the fact that EU Commissioners are appointed – not elected – they then go on to design laws which cannot be revoked or repealed by the British workers – how lovely!

    During a two-year investigation, Hans-Peter Martin, an Austrian Member of the European Parlaiment, filmed scores of Euro MPs nipping into Parliament to sign up for their daily parliamentary allowance before heading off home minutes later… And Glenys Kinnock was one of those cited in his expose…

    Hans-Peter Martin’s blog states;

    “The cynicism of these Euro politicians is astounding. They are so desperate to rip-off the European taxpayers that they will fly into Brussels or Strasbourg just to clock on, and then leave a few moments later, just in order to claim their expenses for the whole day. And they want a Constitution? Currently MEPs are able to claim the allowance on Fridays at Strasbourg even though the Parliament sits there only from Mondays to Thursdays. Isn’t that nice? They get expenses even for days that they don’t work”.

    Martin’s attempts to film Gordon Adam, an MEP for the northeast of England, signing on at the Strasbourg EU Parliament building ended in an angry fist-cuffs. Martin crashed to the floor after Adam tried to grab his video camera and then lunged at him. In the picture which accompanies an article in the Sunday Times, a caught red—handed and very angry looking British MEP Gordon Adam is seen standing over the prone Hans—Peter Martin who had just snapped him fiddling his expenses. It’s quite an incredible photo because it shows just how nasty and violent these British Labour Party MEPs become once their scam has been uncovered.

    Martin claims to have records of 197 MEPs from 15 member states that he has submitted to the Parliament’s authorities. These include 36 British and Northern Ireland MEPs – and that includes Glenys Kinnock… But wait! Oh dear – the man in charge of investigating fraudsters in NEIL KINNOCK!!!





    The EU Gravy Train has continued to roll on for the Kinnocks – In February 2004, it was announced that Neil Kinnock would become head of the British Council. Coincidentally, at the same time, his son Stephen became head of the British Council branch in St. Petersburg, Russia. Just coincidental, of course. Kinnock’s son married the Prime Minister of Denmark who took selfies with Cameron and Barack Obama – and Mr Obama invited the Kinnock’s to his inauguration ceremony when he became President of the USA… How very lovely and cosy.

    Meanwhile, the Welsh fisheries industry, Welsh steel and Welsh farmers have been dying of hypothermia, Swansea has become over-run with Eastern European NHS tourists, and the Kinnocks – now Barons in London – have not stayed true to the promises of the Labour Party manifestos.

    Like all multimillionaires, the Kinnocks have more important things on their mind.


    Now French voters call for FREXIT after Germany face demands for EU referendum

    MORE than half of French voters want their own in-out referendum on European Union (EU) membership, renewing fears in Brussels that a Brexit could topple the 28-country bloc.

    By SELINA SYKES, EXCLUSIVE
    PUBLISHED: 06:11, Mon, Mar 28, 2016 | UPDATED: 11:35, Mon, Mar 28, 2016






    53 per cent of the French voted in favour of holding a referendum on the country’s membership
    With Britons set to go to the polls in June, there are increasing signs the UK’s referendum is paving the way for other European countries to question their own relationship with Brussels.

    It comes after calls for Germany to have their own EU referendum in the aftermath of the migrant crisis.

    In a fresh blow to the EU, 53 per cent of the French voted in favour of holding a UK-style referendum on the country’s membership.

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    Such a response from one of the EU’s founder members will undoubtedly ruffle feathers in Brussels.

    Front National (FN) leader Marine Le Pen welcomed the poll results in a recent blog post, saying French demands for a referendum were “extremely encouraging”.

    A quarter (25 per cent) of French people also want to see an end of free movement throughout Europe after the EU’s Schengen zone was heavily criticised in the aftermath of the Paris attacks.

    Alongside Germany, France is considered the central pillar of the European project.

    But a struggling economy and a faltering government has fuelled a rising Eurosceptic sentiment in France, as well as an escalating migrant crisis and a surge in popularity for the far-right FN.

    And with France’s neighbours across the Channel winning negotiations with Brussels, many French voters are asking why their government cannot do the same.

    In a University of Edinburgh survey of 8,000 voters in Germany, France, Poland, Ireland, Spain and Sweden, France was the only country where a majority said they would back holding a UK-style EU referendum.

    But France is not the first European country where voters are demanding their own chance to leave the EU, with both the Netherlands and the Czech Republic saying they want to follow Britain in holding an in-out referendum.


    In a Dutch poll, 53 per cent supported an in-out vote, while the Czech prime minister Bohuslav Sobotka warned a "Czexit" could follow if Britons choose to leave the EU in June.

    Anand Menon, a professor of European politics at King’s College, said: “The British referendum is a laboratory for other referendums in Europe.

    “Such trivialisation could produce devastating effects.”

    While a central member of the EU, France, like Britain, has always been traditionally hostile to further European integration.

    In 2005 French voters overwhelmingly rejected the proposed European Constitution, sending political reverberations throughout the EU.
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    Coming from someone who's a bit out of the loop in this matter - why is this such a big issue? Wouldn't staying in the EU be a good thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthSiddius View Post
    Coming from someone who's a bit out of the loop in this matter - why is this such a big issue? Wouldn't staying in the EU be a good thing?
    Not for me mate , I wish the UK to be a sovereign state , making our own laws by MPs that we vote in , not being ruled by unelected dictators in foreign lands that are unelected ? and we pay far too much into this corrupt exercise , millions unaccounted for , and some of it is MY money , would obamma allow a foreign state to dictate US laws ??? I doubt it , and the idea of an eu army appals me , why ffs ???, others of course , ie the big money people will wish to remain as is shown in the debates ,,look at the riots in France etc over the open border fiasco , millions of refugees kof kof showing exactly what their agenda is , this all in the guise of democracy ,,yea right . The UK can and will prosper away from it .


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    I thought you have elections for MEPs
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    The bookies say remain, the rest of the commonwealth hope leave, tis yer last chance.....
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    If Moscow funded fascist Marine Le Penn were cheering on my choice of breakfast I would seriously reconsider it.

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    actually what i don't understand is what Cameron is doing. IIRC, he promised this brexit vote to mollify the anti-EU Conservatives, yet now he's front and center for the Remain campaign.

    guess after you get re-elected, it just doesn't matter anymore?
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    I was just reading a story regarding this and three reasons for staying and leaving.

    The three reasons for staying were: Self-governance of your own country which I can get behind. Second, Currency control, and separating herself from what the EU determines is in their best interest. Third, Security, which Britain views as a NATO issue while the EU views NATO as a rival.

    The three reasons to stay were: First, economics, but more as it pertains to the EU rather than Britain. Reason being more exits. Second, internal divisions, in that just maybe Scotland will want to revisit their vote. Third, political stability, referring to European stability. Of course, and unstated fourth would be all the bureaucrats losing their jobs.

    Earlier I said I would vote for exit. I'd still stand by that as I have a major problem with some supra-level bureaucrats deciding how my country should be run but who were not elected by me. I would have a big issue with their desire to make the EU countries similar the way all Starbucks are similar or like the crowd in Apple's 1984.

    I can understand stability but have a big problem of not being able to decide how I want my country to look without being overridden by a commission I have no input and no say about.
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    If the UK could, I would recommend extending oars and rowing just South of Iceland!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbm3fan View Post
    I was just reading a story regarding this and three reasons for staying and leaving.

    The three reasons for staying were: Self-governance of your own country which I can get behind. Second, Currency control, and separating herself from what the EU determines is in their best interest. Third, Security, which Britain views as a NATO issue while the EU views NATO as a rival.

    The three reasons to stay were: First, economics, but more as it pertains to the EU rather than Britain. Reason being more exits. Second, internal divisions, in that just maybe Scotland will want to revisit their vote. Third, political stability, referring to European stability. Of course, and unstated fourth would be all the bureaucrats losing their jobs.

    Earlier I said I would vote for exit. I'd still stand by that as I have a major problem with some supra-level bureaucrats deciding how my country should be run but who were not elected by me. I would have a big issue with their desire to make the EU countries similar the way all Starbucks are similar or like the crowd in Apple's 1984.

    I can understand stability but have a big problem of not being able to decide how I want my country to look without being overridden by a commission I have no input and no say about.
    Brits do have a say on EC decisions.

    They vote for MEPs, who in turn vote the EC and they have Commissioners in the EC.

    However, I'd vote out, since the Brits will have the sole vote on how their country will look. As per economics, I don't see Norway or Switzerland suffering much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    Brits do have a say on EC decisions.

    They vote for MEPs, who in turn vote the EC and they have Commissioners in the EC.

    However, I'd vote out, since the Brits will have the sole vote on how their country will look. As per economics, I don't see Norway or Switzerland suffering much.
    The Commission and Council are not bound by the votes of MEP's
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    The Commission and Council are not bound by the votes of MEP's
    "Once appointed, he or she, along with the Commission, is responsible to Parliament which can censure the President. "

    Tell me, what are them MEPs doing than?

    "The European Council is the EU institution that defines the general political direction and priorities of the European Union. It consists of the heads of state or government of the member states, together with its President and the President of the Commission."

    They can also veto any decisions. You know, the ones elected to govern the member country. Hence, why we are blocked and can't start negotiations (Greek veto).
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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    23rd the votes will be cast , everyone but about 2 people I have spoken to are voting out ,
    All but about 2 people I have spoken to are voting in ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOR View Post
    All but about 2 people I have spoken to are voting in ,
    Aye good old londonistan ,I wonder why that is then , ahhhh well , todays the day , after today the UK will be governed by unelected dictators and we can not vote them out ,,or in , we will have no say , theres far to much money gone into the continuation of the 3rd reich to let it fail , IMO its already a done deal ,,,we are f##ked . Time to uproot and leave methinks , and not to europe unless its Switzerland , and there's not much of a chance of that as im not a multi millionaire ,,,,,yet , lol. Still i can only hope that the vote goes the way im voting ,,and that's a resounding OUT .

    Tbm3 makes some good points in his post .
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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    Aye good old londonistan ,I wonder why that is then , ahhhh well , todays the day , after today the UK will be governed by unelected dictators and we can not vote them out ,,or in , we will have no say , theres far to much money gone into the continuation of the 3rd reich to let it fail , IMO its already a done deal ,,,we are f##ked . Time to uproot and leave methinks , and not to europe unless its Switzerland , and there's not much of a chance of that as im not a multi millionaire ,,,,,yet , lol. Still i can only hope that the vote goes the way im voting ,,and that's a resounding OUT .

    Tbm3 makes some good points in his post .
    Fingers crossed ya'll choose independence.

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