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    So now there are in total 3 proposed trade routes:

    1) Russia proposed non sea route: Through xinjiang and central asia. Under russian security

    2) Pakistan proposed sea route: Through gwadar. Under US and chinese security

    3) Iran proposed sea route: Through chabar. Under indias security(?)



    Which route will be popular and secure?
    Does any of the proposed routes solve the US dollar problem?
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    Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, right, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, center, and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, hold hands in a show of solidarity after their trilateral meeting.

    What do a hindu india, a shia iran and a sunni afghanistan have in common?

    Meanwhile, for your amusement,
    US senators questioned on Tuesday whether India`s development of a port in southern Iran for trade access risked violating international sanctions, and a State Department official assured them the administration would closely examine the project.

    "We have been very clear with the Indians (about) continuing restrictions on activities with respect to Iran," Nisha Desai Biswal, Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs, said on Tuesday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anil View Post
    What do a hindu india, a shia iran and a sunni afghanistan have in common?
    All three hate Pakistan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    All three hate Pakistan
    Yes

    At the same time, all three are opponents of each other by ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    Every Bde General is a freaking warlord.
    Colonel or Major even.
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    To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    Why get directly involved? Pay Iran to screw things up for Pakistan. They have little love for Islamabad and the Taliban and they have a direct interest not to see Afghanistan in Pakistan's hands.
    I am not sure if iran will agree to this since Pakistan can play GCC cards against Iran(Joining them in yemen or the coalition).

    Actually there are now indications of Iran having under table relations with talibs

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    Quote Originally Posted by cataphract View Post
    I disagree that the Chahbahar link is solely for trade with Afghanistan. Central Asia is a much bigger pie than one failed -stan.
    Not to mention oil and gas imports from Iran itself. Access to Afg is a more long term lookout perhaps since it depends a lot on conditions inside Afghanistan.

    They were also looking at an Iran-Oman-India undersea gas pipieline that would begin in Iran at Chabahar. Although I'm not sure at the moment whether the pipeline will ever be more than a pipedream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cataphract View Post
    The railway would link up to western Afghanistan and Herat, which are by Afghan standards, politically stable. Besides, I disagree that the Chahbahar link is solely for trade with Afghanistan. Central Asia is a much bigger pie than one failed -stan.
    Then why would anyone else in Central Asia wants to ship their stuff through Afghanistan? You're much better off including one of the other -Stans than sign with Afghanistan.
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    Af-pak as a buffer prevented access to europe and russia for all these decades. Chabahar can undo that and I imagine we have got CENTCOMs attention.

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    Sir,

    India is developing Chabahar to allow itself easier access to not only Afghanistan but also to the entire CAR, currently irresistible to energy starved India. Pakistan won't let transit to and from Afghanistan, so India logically sees Iran as the next best option.

    In recent years India has been particularly active in engaging the CAR states for purely energy deals. New Delhi however knows, that if it is serious about acquiring stakes in the CAR gas fields, it needs to find a direct access to the region. It can't do so through Pakistan, so it will happily settle for going through Iran, which may be more circuitous, but is nonetheless more feasible.

    You may also foresee the strategic angle to the whole deal, wherein one may likely see Iran giving permanent berthing rights to Indian Naval Assets or rather, the IN getting a permanent naval base in Chabahar. There's a lot of opportunity and equal amount of challenges in this deal. But we are currently going in.
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    The Iranian port I can understand. Giving Kabul a say on this deal is what I don't understand.
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    Few points.

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    Before all that (will) happen/ed.

    Chinese have more than adequate presence in Afghanistan for trade etc. ; independent of Pakistan. Indian presence is there for the same reasons. Why one would see a dichotomy here.

    First ‘Silk Road’ train arrives in Iran from China

    Iran, China agree $600-billion trade deal after sanctions

    What Pakistanis were claiming to have achieved with CPEC vis a vis connectivity with CAR via Afghanistan just got defeated by China itself let alone transient hostility between Afghan & Pakistan. China sees $600 billion dollar trade volume alone with Iran; that India will certainly join in to use the same infrastructure for its own energy supplies being brought down south at Chabhar from CAR.

    Road connecting Iran with Herat was completed ages ago and minuscules volume of supplies have been already going into Afghanistan from Indian ports using Chabhar.

    Chinese top leadership has been made absolutely clear by Indian top leadership without mincing a word about objection on CPEC passing through POK.
    India Asks China To Stop Work In Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir

    Chinese know good about their bets, there may not be a direct confrontation here in this region (POK) but they have to pay for it somewhere else. Reaching Arabian Ocean via Iran is their safest bet period.

    Military use of Chabhar port by India seems far fetched.

    Pakistan doesn't want Afghanistan to stabilize. Prosperous or at least well replenished Afghanistan will yield more benefit to India not only in trade terms but denying strategic depth to Pakistan.
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    http://financialtribune.com/sites/de...d%20524-ab.jpg

    China's New Silk Road.

    Can not see Pakistan connecting to it any soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    Then why would anyone else in Central Asia wants to ship their stuff through Afghanistan? You're much better off including one of the other -Stans than sign with Afghanistan.
    Chahbahar allows access to Turkmenistan and other stans through northern Iran. No need to go through Afghanistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    The Iranian port I can understand. Giving Kabul a say on this deal is what I don't understand.
    Sir,

    If you actually see, even the press release and associated photographs clearly demonstrates which side of the bread is buttered. However, jokes apart, keeping the deal tripartite makes it a win win for the Afghans as well. For India, Afghanistan’s Zaranj region can be reached through the Iranian road network and can be directly linked to Delaram in western Afghanistan. This would establish direct access by road to Afghanistan’s Garland Highway, thereby connecting the port to the four major cities, Herat, Kandahar, Kabul, and Mazar-e-Sharif.

    On their part, the 2011 Afghanistan Pakistan Transit and Trade Agreement allows Afghanistan access to Pakistani ports and up to the final checkpoint on the Wagah side of Pakistan’s border with India. India can not trade directly with Afghanistan through this route because of restrictions imposed by Pakistan. Afghan trucks are forced to go back without goods from the Indian side, which increases transport costs. The development of Chabahar Port will provide an alternate route to Afghanistan, reducing freight time and transport costs.

    Afghanistan has literally no say in the Chabahar project. They give access to the Garland Highway and in return gain huge benefits in transit and trade. It will also decrease their dependence to the Pakistani blackmails and embargoes.
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