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  • #16
    Looks like another barrel roll over a RC-135 by an SU-27 in the last 24 hours.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/politi...ane/index.html

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    • #17
      Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
      Looks like another barrel roll over a RC-135 by an SU-27 in the last 24 hours.

      http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/politi...ane/index.html
      I'm surprised such HVU's aren't being closely escorted.
      “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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      • #18
        The Rivet Joint probably flew out of Ramstein. Doubt we'd let them fly escort for that kind of mission out of Spangdahlem anyway. Would have to fly over from Lakenheath. USAFE and 48 FW (at RAF Lakenheath) seems to be more concerned with facilitating their little F-22 show in Wales, Romania and Lithuania this week though.

        PS, for the original topic of the thread: USS Donald Cook is the first BMD-mission DDG to deploy to the Baltic, hence the interest. Not officially there on a BMD mission of course, but "conducting a routine patrol in the U.S. 6th Fleet area of operations in support of U.S. national security interests in Europe". But some data on ABMD 4.0.1 - and especially on its output in air threat scenarios - is probably always welcome...
        Last edited by kato; 30 Apr 16,, 21:42.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by kato View Post
          The Rivet Joint probably flew out of Ramstein. Doubt we'd let them fly escort for that kind of mission out of Spangdahlem anyway. Would have to fly over from Lakenheath. USAFE and 48 FW (at RAF Lakenheath) seems to be more concerned with facilitating their little F-22 show in Wales, Romania and Lithuania this week though.
          Yeah, the RC's usually conduct their missions solo; no need to provoke the subject of the surveillance any more than necessary. Although it might've been nice to have a couple of F-22's on a perch about 5 miles back! The Su's never would've known what hit them; the last thing they'll hear is their RWR going off, as the AIM-120D's active radar switches on for the last kilometer or two . . .
          "There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Stitch View Post
            Yeah, the RC's usually conduct their missions solo; no need to provoke the subject of the surveillance any more than necessary. Although it might've been nice to have a couple of F-22's on a perch about 5 miles back! The Su's never would've known what hit them; the last thing they'll hear is their RWR going off, as the AIM-120D's active radar switches on for the last kilometer or two . . .
            And why would the F-22 fire? Only if the RC was allready dead... which means the Sus would most likely allready be going home, doing Mach 2 or close. Besides, would the F-22 be able to fire withoud first asking permission? What's the ROE?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
              I'm surprised such HVU's aren't being closely escorted.
              1.) They fly in international airspace with peaceful intent, so no escort. 2.) Start a tit for tat conflict for signal intelligence? 3.) Though forbidden and discouraged many a TU 95 has been hot nosed by a USN intercept from the 1950's onwards.
              Last edited by Dazed; 01 May 16,, 17:54.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by jlvfr View Post
                And why would the F-22 fire? Only if the RC was allready dead... which means the Sus would most likely allready be going home, doing Mach 2 or close. Besides, would the F-22 be able to fire withoud first asking permission? What's the ROE?
                I do believe he was just musing with his imagination. Something we all do.

                I'm pretty sure the Russian was also musing. Look at that big fat target...

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
                  I do believe he was just musing with his imagination. Something we all do.

                  I'm pretty sure the Russian was also musing. Look at that big fat target...
                  Where IS that darn "Like" button again?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
                  "There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                    You say the Ruskies and Chinese are deliberatelly going nuts, so the Navy budget can pass?

                    This is crazy even for a conservative registered Democrat
                    No. Old Soviet Union did this for decades. Russians kept up the practice, more or less.

                    It is now "publicized" on 247 news channels and websites during budget time for USN.
                    "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by gunnut View Post
                      No. Old Soviet Union did this for decades. Russians kept up the practice, more or less.

                      It is now "publicized" on 247 news channels and websites during budget time for USN.
                      Yes, there was a LOT of stuff that didn't get publicized during the bad ole days of the Cold War; back then, we kept it hush-hush, and didn't publicize these things. There was an unspoken agreement between the two superpowers that "if you don't say anything, we won't say anything"; can't have the unwashed masses getting involved in international relations, now can we, old boy? There was probably at least one confrontation per year between East and West, mostly along the border(s) with the USSR; go here and here for some interesting incidents that didn't get reported during the Cold War.
                      "There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge

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                      • #26
                        Stitch,

                        Is there a list od Soviet casualties in similar incidents?
                        No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                        To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                        • #27
                          Video of the Fencers and Helix buzzing the Donald Cook

                          “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                          • #28
                            Fun day for the Russian pilots...thanks for the airshow... That chopper looks like a toy. Best video yet.
                            To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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                            • #29
                              If the US gets too annoyed by close passes from Russian aircraft, they could always invite Turkey to send a Frigate with a nervous Commander along on Black Sea patrols.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by SteveDaPirate View Post
                                If the US gets too annoyed by close passes from Russian aircraft, they could always invite Turkey to send a Frigate with a nervous Commander along on Black Sea patrols.
                                Let the Russians burn service life out of their Su-24s with these fancy low-flying passes...

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