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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihais View Post
    Or consider this.They don't want to attack the Americans more than just for show or via uncontrolled fighters.

    What is more suitable?To make a Bosnia near the Islamic reservoir of people,or to have the USMC taking Mosul by storm?
    Bosnia is an ancient issue that predates current events, but it is of the same context. Heck, they had an incursion a couple of days ago in Macedonia, but it appears that Macedonian police was able to handle it, that is why I've asked Doc if everything is ok with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InExile View Post
    Some European countries like the UK and Belgium seem to have a proliferation of radical mosques and recruiters for extremist organizations from which ISIS supporters are drawn which appears to be relatively absent in other countries like Germany even if they have a larger muslim population.
    The vast majority of muslims in Germany are Turks and Kurds, where radical individuals have ethnic nationalist sizable organized groups (with or without a religious leaning) to turn to. IGMG in particular comes to mind. While these organizations are somewhat problematic - both from their world view and from e.g. supporting terrorist groups abroad financially - their sheer size, their competition with other similar groups (including Turkish-state-controlled DITIB) and the fact that they're led by mostly integrated muslims tends to temper their radical leanings. The fact that there are such groups integrating radical elements diminishes the pool that ISIS could fish from.

    Arabs in Europe tend to not form comparable groups, at least any of similar size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tantalus View Post
    I think it's easy to overstate social integration as a bigger problem in terrorism than it is. Failure for muslims to integrate, and or be integrated provided countless negative outcomes in society, and we should do our best to find solutions, especially if the Americans have something to offer in terms of policy, but fundamentally, a rigid interpretation of the Quran and sharia are not compatible in the west, and people with these views are likely to turn violent (edit. "hostile" would be a more appropriate word choice, as those who turn violent are so few) on us.
    Certainly, look at the table on the right, what in the world explains the top three spots there.



    Jordan. Next door but not exactly with a radical regime. Ten times more than Chechnya who i'd have thought would be closer to the top.

    Tunisia in top spot in terms of numbers, only survivor of the arab spring. The arab spring began in Tunisia. 6 times more than Libya that got bombed. Morocco is another weird one.

    Lebanon, haven't they had enough crap already.

    They Saudis are going to have trouble.

    Are these countries failing at integration too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Certainly, look at the table on the right, what in the world explains the top three spots there.



    Jordan. Next door but not exactly with a radical regime. Ten times more than Chechnya who i'd have thought would be closer to the top.

    Tunisia in top spot in terms of numbers, only survivor of the arab spring. The arab spring began in Tunisia. 6 times more than Libya that got bombed. Morocco is another weird one.

    Lebanon, haven't they had enough crap already.

    Are these countries failing at integration too...
    And when you look at other data I posted up on suicide bombing support, Tunisia (for example) is remarkably low in support for a muslim country, almost comparable to american muslims. As Inexile points out its a complex issue, but I think specific recruitment effects (major conjecture) might be the key issue country by country for numbers of fighters produced in the Syrian conflict. In managing to attract a large number from a very small pool in each country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Versus View Post
    Bosnia is an ancient issue that predates current events, but it is of the same context. Heck, they had an incursion a couple of days ago in Macedonia, but it appears that Macedonian police was able to handle it, that is why I've asked Doc if everything is ok with him.
    What incursion?
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    Probably the couple dozen who made it across that river near Idomeni and did not drown in it like the others...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Probably the couple dozen who made it across that river near Idomeni and did not drown in it like the others...
    It is 100+ km from me. My cousin is there with Red Cross and everyone is fine, but the poor guys who were told it is dry.
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    From facebook , but IP addresses and MAK addresses are easily got to find the senders ?


    Germany is on alert after affiliates of the Islamic State group posted messages across social networks on Wednesday calling on German Muslims to carry out Brussels-style attacks.

    The militants suggested striking the offices of Chancellor Angela Merkel and an airport near the former capital of Bonn, while denouncing non-Muslim Germans as “enemies of Allah.”

    In one post, a picture of the Cologne-Bonn airport is show, with the text: “What your brothers in Belgium were able to do, you can do too.”

    Another shows the German chancellery in Berlin with the caption: “Germany is a battlefield.”

    A third shows a German military jet alongside supposed images of Syrian civilians with bloodied faces. The headline reads: “Will you continue to grieve or will you finally act?”

    The German air force was part of a US-led coalition that carried out airstrikes in Syria in 2015.

    The incitement comes a week after explosions at a Metro station and airport in Belgium left 32 dead.

    However, the German Federal Police said the posts have not changed the country’s “security assessment.”

    “We are aware of this material and our experts are checking it,” a police spokeswoman told Reuters. “It is clear that Germany is the focus of international terrorism and that attacks could happen, but this material doesn’t change our security assessment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    What incursion?
    From Kosovo, of course, in the villages Slupcani,Arcinovo and Matejce. Incursion has been related to our old friend, the KLA commander Sokoli. Do you know anything about that. It happened in between 23,24 and 25th of March.

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    It was a police raid looking for traffickers.

    No shootings, injures, deaths or similar was reported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    It was a police raid looking for traffickers.

    No shootings, injures, deaths or similar was reported.
    Hmmm, not the information we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Versus View Post
    Hmmm, not the information we have.
    Which is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    Which is?
    Our reports say that there was shooting and that there were roadblocks set up by the Albanians. Also the reports say that the group that made incursion was connected with the last year "incident". My guess is that Albanians are probing you and that this time you were able to counter them efficiently. After all, their desire to create Great Albania is unwavering.

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    None of it happened or was reported.

    We can start a new thread for this, not to derail this one further.
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