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  • #46
    A-1 is the tool for the job. Excellent machine.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
      I've watched them dump paratroopers out of the back. Doesn't look like a fun ride at all.

      They go into a climb until all the paratroopers slide out the back

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      Is there supposed to be a door/ramp? Or is it removed for paratrooper operation?
      "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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      • #48
        I find this interesting from Wikipedia:

        Colonel KP Rice:

        "The original concept of a small, simple aircraft that could operate close to the supported troops had been almost completely eviscerated by the 'system.' The ability to operate from roads (20 ft span and 6.5 tread) had been ignored, and performance compromised by the short 30 ft span, the extra 1,000 lb for the rough field landing gear and another 1,000 lb of electronics. The 'light, simple' airplane also had a full complement of instruments, ejection seats and seven external store stations. The concept of using ground ordnance and a bomb bay had been ignored, although it did have provisions for four M60 [medium] machine guns. In spite of this growth (almost double the size and weight of our home built), the YOV-10 still had great potential. It would not achieve the advantages of integration with the ground scheme of maneuver, but it did have capabilities at the low end of the performance envelope that were still valuable and unique."
        Fast forward 50 years:

        According to Pentagon and industry officials, while the aircraft would maintain much of its 1960s-vintage rugged external design, the 21st century modernizations would include a computerized glass cockpit, intelligence sensors and smart-bomb-dropping capabilities.
        "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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        • #49
          In the OV-10 you will sit in a spread leg sitting spoon position in a dark metal box no sound insulation and the melodic throbbing of two garrett engines.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Dazed View Post
            In the OV-10 you will sit in a spread leg sitting spoon position in a dark metal box no sound insulation and the melodic throbbing of two garrett engines.
            So...bring your own noise cancelling headphones and a flash light?
            "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by gunnut View Post
              There's an easy solution to that. We'll refurbish the air frame, replace the engine with a modern turboprop, add computerized controls, a second crew member to share the workload, radar, night vision, ejection system....and should look like this:

              A Garrett or PW engine as used in the PC-21/T-6II/Tucano would weigh a fraction of the radial engine which would mean a lot weight added, or a really long nose. The aircraft have automatic yaw compensation for the p-factor, but ground handling you would rather have a tricycle gear than a tailwheel with a 1600 HPish power plant upfront.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by gunnut View Post
                I find this interesting from Wikipedia:
                *snip*
                How many programs came out like this?...

                Originally posted by gunnut View Post
                Fast forward 50 years:
                To be fair, these upgrades are needed, if it's to operate at night and in a modern environment. And guided weapons will allow it to keep distance from too much danger.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by gunnut View Post
                  So...bring your own noise cancelling headphones and a flash light?
                  You don't really fly a lot in a garret powered aircraft. Noisy, confined and wicking up another mans sweat in a non environmentally control black box. I believe the ability to drop people was not for paratroopers but for onesie who would not have their passport or visa stamped at port of entry.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Dazed View Post
                    You don't really fly a lot in a garret powered aircraft. Noisy, confined and wicking up another mans sweat in a non environmentally control black box.
                    To be fair, that sounds like every jump plane I've ever seen. Beaten up, loud, hot, and packed uncomfortably full of humanity.

                    You know it's a jump plane when the skydivers screw with the pilot by yanking on the exposed control cables...

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                    • #55
                      Here is solution to your problem. I mean 37 mm is a decent caliber for this mission. Plus you can use anchor as a side arm and it can't get cheaper than this. I mean, biplane...
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                      • #56
                        Even better:

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                        "There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Stitch View Post
                          Even better:

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                          Now we are talking.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
                            Like

                            Armed for bear. And can kill MIGs

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                            In the early 1950s Douglas was designing/developing the XA2D Skyshark turboprop aircraft loosely based on the AD Skyraider. Skyshark was roughly similar in size to the Skyraider, but was not an attempt to replace the Skyraider with a slightly upgraded aircraft powered by a turboprop, instead they chose to pursue a overly complex redesign with doubled power using counter-rotating props powered by two gas turbines interconnected through a complex gear box. The gearbox was problematic, and turboprop technology was lagging. The design development didn't mature quickly enough, and Navy terminated it.

                            Not much later the turboprop powered YC-130 was flying, and by the late 50s the C-130A was in production. Skyshark might have been more viable had they planned to use the same engine (and maybe also the same prop) as the C-130A (or B), which would have been a signficant incremental improvement over the radial used in the Skyraider, more evolutionary than revolutionary. Regardless any of that, Navy wanted jets and large fleet carriers, so I suspect they would not have funded production of a turboprop Skyshark.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by JRT View Post

                              Not much later the turboprop powered YC-130 was flying, and by the late 50s the C-130A was in production. Skyshark might have been more viable had they planned to use the same engine (and maybe also the same prop) as the C-130A (or B), which would have been a signficant incremental improvement over the radial used in the Skyraider, more evolutionary than revolutionary. Regardless any of that, Navy wanted jets and large fleet carriers, so I suspect they would not have funded production of a turboprop Skyshark.
                              I'm guessing the Douglas A-4 tookover?...

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                              • #60
                                Republic pursued a similar (and just as doomed) project with their Republic XF-84H "Thunderscreech" (and, trust me, there's a reason they called it the "Thunderscreech"); they basically took a regular F-84F Thunderstreak, removed the jet engine, and stuck a turboprop in the nose. And not just ANY turboprop, but a turboprop with a supersonic propeller. According to first-hand accounts, the noise and vibration the supersonic propeller gave off was so bad it was actually capable of incapacitating people:

                                ZWRRWWWBRZR

                                That's the sound of the prop-driven XF-84H, and it brought grown men to their knees. It didn't fly all that great either
                                "There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge

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