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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    Now he is a national icon.
    To the contrary.

    Coming march-june 2016, when a student in new delhi will be out hunting for college admission, the JNU would be last on his list and his parents would see to that. Meanwhile, those kids who already passed out of JNU are probably wondering how to mention it in their resume without affecting their chances in the job market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Your point is college campuses must not be used as battle grounds for party politics ?
    When tukaram omble held the gun of ajmal kasab, random passerbys started pounding on kasabs head with hard objects (see the lawyer incident).

    Those indian lawyers have no idea what the bush doctrine(make no distinction - between afzal and the people who speak for afzal) is and yet.

    Don't rock this boat

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    Quote Originally Posted by anil View Post
    To the contrary.

    Coming march-june 2016, when a student in new delhi will be out hunting for college admission, the JNU would be last on his list and his parents would see to that. Meanwhile, those kids who already passed out of JNU are probably wondering how to mention it in their resume without affecting their chances in the job market.
    Liberal arts are always at the end of the list, compared to Engg./ Medical.

    And yes, I am sure the multitudes of NDA and IAS alumni are scurrying to hide JNU from their resumes.
    Last edited by antimony; 11 Mar 16, at 16:12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anil View Post
    When tukaram omble held the gun of ajmal kasab, random passerbys started pounding on kasabs head with hard objects (see the lawyer incident).

    Those indian lawyers have no idea what the bush doctrine(make no distinction - between afzal and the people who speak for afzal) is and yet.

    Don't rock this boat
    Were those "random passerbys" also the pet dogs of the ruling party. Did they have Facebook posts that showed the Union Home Minister patting them on their heads?
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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    Quote Originally Posted by anil View Post
    Is the fascination with long flattering lectures with token punchlines in between of any real significance aside for plain public entertainment?

    It's both funny and bizarre to see socialist wackos talking in defense of democracy.
    So basically you're not competent enough to actually understand what she's saying in her lecture. Which is a shame, because if you were, you'd realize that she's saying nothing about democracy or socialism, and provides a lot of hard facts. I don't necessarily agree with all her views, but it doesn't make me go flinging fluff words around on defense fora.
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    He said she said yada yada

    Intellectual snobs and their discourse come dime a dozen on the right, left and centre. She'll say what you want to hear to clap your hands based on the predicament the left wing loonie pack has got themselves into.

    She's an entertainer. It's one of the skills of a politician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    I don't have a problem with that. Other parties do that to. I have a problem when they invoke direct action day and call for violence
    http://scroll.in/article/749726/why-...tion-day-riots

    That's what you're referring to ?

    March in your city with people saying the same. Course they aren't explicitly saying it are they. That the march went on means it was legal.

    That does not stop them from collecting funds
    Is it anywhere significant compared to what can be raised locally ?

    Sounds similar to we must carefully monitor funds to whatever NGO because they are instigating trouble that impedes India's progress

    Like any other org. When it enters India the foreign contribution regulation act comes into play. Waxes and wanes as the political climate warms or cools.

    There is a concerted effort by outfits like OFBJP to call for dual nationality and then allow voting/ political rights.
    I doubt this will happen as many people much closer would also like to move in. What is the difference.

    why have they renounced their indian citizenship in the first place ? the US does not place any restrictions on dual or more nationality unless you enter into sensitive sectors that stipulate US only citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anil View Post

    She's an entertainer. It's one of the skills of a politician.
    She's a professional historian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cataphract View Post
    She's a professional historian...
    ... with a wacky fantasy to control india (the idea of india). Many have tried that throughout indias history with incomplete and short results.

    cataphract, quit being an apologist. Historians don't bang heads on prime time news tv. She acts and behaves much like a regular politician and comes from a family of communist practitioners. If anyone still calls her a historian then its either her or her pack of followers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anil View Post
    ... with a wacky fantasy to control india (the idea of india). Many have tried that throughout indias history with incomplete and short results.

    cataphract, quit being an apologist. Historians don't bang heads on prime time news tv. She acts and behaves much like a regular politician and comes from a family of communist practitioners. If anyone still calls her a historian then its either her or her pack of followers.
    Point out incorrect facts in her work or quit talking rot. Put up or shut up
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    Would arguing with the creative narratives of romila thapar be any different than arguing with the creative theories of zakir naik?

    Both these individuals have a loyal fan base. Both speak in packed rooms to loud applause and cheer. Both are "intellectuals" in their own right, I guess.

    I think thapar is to the left theology what naik is to islamic theology. I have no interest in arguing with their and their followers worldview. I understand why govts resort to banning them from entering. Diplomacy doesn't work against radicalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anil View Post
    Don't get disconnected from ground reality.
    Can't see the effects completely at the outset. check back in a year and it becomes more clear. A stink has been created, how much will linger and whether it have a reinforcing effect in the future.

    The left is foolish.
    With its back to the wall and hungry. Has to make waves and show they are alive.

    These episodes have ended up plain polarizing the people. Even those kids disinterested in politics have been left abruptly infuriated through gossips and circulations in the social media. It has become a fight between the ordinary vs the fanatic left.
    Polarising with the left is to do with class conflict. Those higher up getting away and lack of justice.

    Lawyers beating up some kid is made out to look like outrage of the uppers at questioning by lowers. As preserving hierarchies. Dalits being mistreated. Big vote bank can't piss off.

    Govts interfering in the autonomy of universities. Why ? anti-national my foot.

    Silencing dissent and freedom of expression in of all places, colleges.

    See, the solidarity with other student orgs. The aspirational types who voted the present govt in.

    Plays well to the opposition.

    The right wing has been affected positively and has checked itself out.
    how do you make that given the previous reasons.

    Rahul gandhi was quietly told to shut up by mukherjee(INC patriarch) but the left is severely handicapped by its own ideology and too miserable to look back and understand or introspect.
    Not Rahul's fight per se but let's say he's an interested party. This is pure left which in India means commies vs right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anil View Post
    To the contrary.

    Coming march-june 2016, when a student in new delhi will be out hunting for college admission, the JNU would be last on his list and his parents would see to that. Meanwhile, those kids who already passed out of JNU are probably wondering how to mention it in their resume without affecting their chances in the job market.
    Heh, Nirmala the current Minister of state for commerce and jaishankar the present foriegn secretary who got a phd from jnu in nuclear diplomacy won't have any problems continuing in their present positions. let's add any number of other pols that cut their teeth there, along with members of the military, bureaucracy & civil service. What better credentials does JNU need. If you want to get into public service that's the place to be.

    JNU will continue. They have made a stand. They need to diversify some more. It has to be more than what shade of commie you are.

    Quote Originally Posted by anil View Post
    ... with a wacky fantasy to control india (the idea of india). Many have tried that throughout indias history with incomplete and short results.
    I think that's a good thing, so long as no idea ends up gaining a monopoly. means its a free for all and we don't get hardening of positions. Everything to play for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anil View Post
    Would arguing with the creative narratives of romila thapar be any different than arguing with the creative theories of zakir naik?

    Both these individuals have a loyal fan base. Both speak in packed rooms to loud applause and cheer. Both are "intellectuals" in their own right, I guess.

    I think thapar is to the left theology what naik is to islamic theology. I have no interest in arguing with their and their followers worldview. I understand why govts resort to banning them from entering. Diplomacy doesn't work against radicalism.
    All I read here is that you're way out of your depth and don't know what you're talking about. If she was so wrong, you would have no problems pointing out her fallacies. Instead you choose to close your ears and yell commie commie commie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anil View Post
    Would arguing with the creative narratives of romila thapar be any different than arguing with the creative theories of zakir naik?

    Both these individuals have a loyal fan base. Both speak in packed rooms to loud applause and cheer. Both are "intellectuals" in their own right, I guess.
    So does Modi, so did Bal Thakeray. SO what?

    Quote Originally Posted by anil View Post
    I think thapar is to the left theology
    Left theology. Now if there ever was an oxymoron
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