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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    Based on wiki the RoKAF has 18 batteries of SAM's that can be used in the ABM role. To that the RoKN and US military add more assets. The allied forces in South Korea have the ability to intercept more targets than NK can likely loft at one time since all of their truly operational missiles are liquid fueled. However, my point wasn't about missiles,but about the HARTS. In so far as conventional artillery is concerned, Seoul is not in as much danger as feared, not that it is in no danger.
    Not in as much danger? Only a couple of hundred artillery pieces can range them from hardened locations that we have suspected locations on. I'm sure the 9.9 million residents of the 2d most densely populated city in the world sleep better knowing that.

    Your still looking at 500 HART sites. 2-3000 firing positions. 4-6 thousand JDAMs= 500-750 B-2 loadouts. We have 20 B-2s total. (plane of your choice). If you don't want to go stealth then the ROKAF has 60 F-15Ks that can carry the gbu-28. The closest 15Es we have is a squadron in Alaska. A F-15E/K can carry one on the centerline. Those are the only airframes cleared for the weapon

    How many of those ABM assets are in range to protect Seoul?
    Its called Tourist Season. So why can't we shoot them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    Not in as much danger? Only a couple of hundred artillery pieces can range them from hardened locations that we have suspected locations on. I'm sure the 9.9 million residents of the 2d most densely populated city in the world sleep better knowing that.

    Your still looking at 500 HART sites. 2-3000 firing positions. 4-6 thousand JDAMs= 500-750 B-2 loadouts. We have 20 B-2s total. (plane of your choice). If you don't want to go stealth then the ROKAF has 60 F-15Ks that can carry the gbu-28. The closest 15Es we have is a squadron in Alaska. A F-15E/K can carry one on the centerline. Those are the only airframes cleared for the weapon

    How many of those ABM assets are in range to protect Seoul?
    They don't need to take out all the concrete. What they need to do is prevent the very longest range weapons from Mass firing effectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by citanon View Post
    They don't need to take out all the concrete. What they need to do is prevent the very longest range weapons from Mass firing effectively.
    Without knowing which HARTs those weapons are at, How else do you take them out other that taking out all of the firing positions?
    Its called Tourist Season. So why can't we shoot them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    Without knowing which HARTs those weapons are at, How else do you take them out other that taking out all of the firing positions?
    Just pointing out that there's a difference. If you frame the mission as taking out the HARTS, you have a problem that's impossible to quickly solve. If you frame the mission as stopping effective massed fires on Seoul proper, you've got options. You can hit at the C2, you can narrow down the list of sites, you can plan your initial attacks on HARTS as ones to slow or delay firing and increase the vulnerability of their arty systems rather than destroying the complexes. That opens the options to a wider range of weapon systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    Without knowing which HARTs those weapons are at, How else do you take them out other that taking out all of the firing positions?
    The HARTS for the Koskun SP artillery and the big MRL launchers have to be at least X tall and Y wide. A 122mm D30 battery needs different physical space than a Koskun. We know which HARTS are always occupied, which ones are crisis only and what general type of weapons will fit in a given HART by dimensions observed by satellite.The Koskuns have an extremely limited ammunition supply. IIRC, six rounds. They are not really mean for mobile warfare but to roll in and out of the HARTs to fire.

    Also the HARTS are not super bunkers. They mostly predate the advent of PGM's and are designed to defeat counter battery
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    Gee, things got all quiet this week as the focus moved onto other things. I can't wait for next week's episode of "As the World Turns" or better known "As the Trump Turns". Watching this stuff is like watching a novice trying to learn how to drive a clutch and never getting it.

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