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Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostMore often than not, it's the frontal lobe that's the problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarnak_Farm_incident
However, this example shows what happens when the tech does work.
At the time it occurred to me that it must have been splendid target practice for the Americans. An army with modern weaponry trained to fight the Soviets pitted against patriotic loons in mobile trash cans with insufficient modern tech....if the Iraqi's had bought leopards or Challengers with full kit the battle would have lasted longer and resulted in considerably more Allied/American Casualties. Thankfully that didn't happen !...Unfortunately due to the UN mandate and an unwillingness to continue. The Iraqi Republican guard was left largely intact, not good!
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Originally posted by Freyr View PostJust managed to watch that the whole way through..Thanks!
At the time it occurred to me that it must have been splendid target practice for the Americans. An army with modern weaponry trained to fight the Soviets pitted against patriotic loons in mobile trash cans with insufficient modern tech....if the Iraqi's had bought leopards or Challengers with full kit the battle would have lasted longer and resulted in considerably more Allied/American Casualties. Thankfully that didn't happen !
Also, if you know anything about Soviet doctrine, the Iraqis couldn't even do that right. The first thing a Soviet General would tell you is to find the enemy. Sitting around waiting for the Americans to come to you was as stupid as you can get.
Originally posted by Freyr View Post...Unfortunately due to the UN mandate and an unwillingness to continue. The Iraqi Republican guard was left largely intact, not good!Chimo
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Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostAlso, if you know anything about Soviet doctrine, the Iraqis couldn't even do that right. The first thing a Soviet General would tell you is to find the enemy. Sitting around waiting for the Americans to come to you was as stupid as you can get.
We would have the same outcome as the Iraq War a few years down the road. The Iraqis were not ready for democratic ruleLast edited by Freyr; 01 Jul 19,, 18:25.
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BAE and Rheinmetall launch combat vehicle JV
BAE Systems and German partner Rheinmetall launched a combat vehicles joint venture on Monday with the aim of capitalising on what the industry hopes will be a period of much-needed investment in the sector.
The joint venture, called Rheinmetall BAE Systems Land, will be one of Europe’s largest military vehicle groups.
Under the terms of the agreement, first announced in January, BAE has sold a 55 per cent stake to its German counterpart for £28.6m, a move it said would preserve some 450 jobs as well as vital engineering capabilities in Britain.
Speaking at the venture’s launch at its headquarters in Telford in the West Midlands, Penny Mordaunt, Britain’s defence secretary, said it was a “clear vote of confidence in the UK’s defence industry as a world-leader in designing, supplying and supporting military vehicles”.
The combined company will initially design and manufacture vehicles primarily for the UK, including the new Military Infantry Vehicle (MIV) Boxer for the British Army and hope to be successful in a competition to upgrade the Challenger tank. BAE and Rheinmetall were originally competing against each other for the Challenger upgrade contract.
Peter Hardisty, formerly of Rheinmetall UK who has taken over as managing director of the new company, said it was “by no means a shoo-in” to win the contract. Under its proposal, most of the work would be done in the UK but the upgraded tank would have a German smoothbore cannon, he said.
A range of programmes to update Britain’s combat armoured capability are under way after years of under-investment. Ms Mordaunt last month said the UK had fallen behind its allies in key armoured combat vehicle capabilities.
“The future may look very different in years to come, but meantime, while armour is relevant it must be capable, and we must be competitive. We have not been,” said Ms Mourdaunt.
“Challenger 2 has been in service without a major upgrade since 1998. During this time the US, Germany and Denmark have completed two major upgrades, whilst Russia has fielded five new variants with a sixth pending,” she said.
“Warrior [the Army’s infantry fighting vehicle] is even more obsolete, and is 20 years older than those operated by our key allies,” Ms Mordaunt added.
“There has been next to no drive from the Army to invest in anything not related to Afghanistan,” said Francis Tusa, editor of monthly newsletter Defence Analysis.
“Neither the MoD nor the services put any money into the armoured vehicle sector . . . The land sector was regarded more as a commercial sector where you can just go and buy kit,” he added.
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