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    Well it has hit the US media and questions are being asked about why we are not taking in more Syrian refugees. Of course, there are only Syrian refugees unlike here where the truth is that these migrants are from many countries other than Syria.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/04/politi...s-us-response/

    Another article pointed out that many are coming from other countries but the question for me will be which one gets the most play in the coming days. Now the press and other groups can pick and choose what the perception should be played up. Most likely the first link.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/05/europe...sis/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Let's see, let me dig out the last migration report from the government...

    Hungary: Was pretty solid at about 15,000 until 2006. Then went to about 25,000 until 2010. Then Orban was elected with his current government, and immigrants to Germany doubled to their current number of 60,000 per year; about the same number at this point left Hungary for other EU countries. Hungary is bleeding out, especially since 80% of those emigrating are under 30. About 1.6% of Hungarian nationals live in Germany, currently 160,000.
    Turkey: Went down to about 25,000 in 2008, and has stayed there since then. The political angle - the election of AKP in 2007 - is coincidental here though; since 2007, Germany has required family members of Turks moving to Germany (e.g. spouses) to prove German language knowledge, which basically cut the immigrant number in half. This was successfully contested in court last year, so we'll probably see a rise back to the longterm standard 50,000 within two to three years. About 2% of Turkish nationals live in Germany, currently 1.5 million.
    Greece: Was around 10,000 until the economic crisis, then rose to 23,000 by 2011 and 32,000 by 2012. Has stayed at around 33,000 since then. About 3% of Greek nationals live in Germany, currently 330,000.

    For comparison, immigration from the non-EU-members on the Balkan (Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo, Macedonia and Albania) was around 60,000 until the economic crisis, then rose steadily to around 90,000 per year. In the first half of this year we got about that many just in the refugee camps, and with the onsetting winter down there that'll rise sharply.

    (note: all numbers = annual gross immigration)

    Where do you get 800,000 Syrians btw? We got 42,000 till July, with the way our government is positioning itself probably 100,000 by the end of the year.
    So, your minister was at fault in March?
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    That 105,000 number included 40,000 Syrians in 2014, 20,000 in 2013 and also all those Iraqis...

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    So, Yugoslavs are how many million?

    Edit; it was you who brought 800k.

    So that was a what if, we are facing 2-3k now. So population-wise our quota is fullfilled daily.

    But, fear not, we make room for the newcomers by fleeing to Greece en masse for the weekends.

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    Government coalition leaders decided on a package on Monday:
    • 3 billion Euro one-off for German states to aid with refugee housing for an additional 150,000 people; federal government will additionally provide sites for these planned winterized camps
    • 3 billion Euro one-off at federal level for refugee handling (quadrupled from this year)
    • 400 million Euro annual additional budget for foreign ministry for "reducing causes of migration"
    • construction law will allow some leeway for refugee housing
    • asylum seekers in state-level refugee camps will no longer receive pocket money
    • Kosovo, Albania and Montenegro will be declared "safe states" (i.e. all asylum applications from there denied)
    • asylum seekers from safe states will remain in the state-level camps until their asylum application is rejected
    • aid to asylum seekers with rejected applications (until deportation) is reduced
    • deportation will be set to occur a maximum of 3 months after asylum application is rejected (currently 6 months)
    • legal immigration will be made easier in particular for West Balkan nationals; any work contract satisfying German tariff law will be good for immigration from these countries (in other words, West Balkan nationals will be equal to EU nationals regarding employment)
    • temp agencies may hire asylum seekers after 3 months (currently 15)
    • federal police will get an additional 3,000 officers
    • federal volunteer service will get an additional 10,000 posts paid for
    • federal refugee ministry and job seeker centers will get additional staff
    • investment in language courses for refugees will be increased

    In addition, the federal government documented that it will seek a quota system at EU level, with the vice chancellor already promising consequences for uncooperative "Eastern Europe" (not any state in particular) - pointing at the Austrian proposal to cut EU funding to Eastern Europe, and threatening to basically cancel Schengen.

    Laws effecting the above are now hashed out and will be passed on October 15th, those needing Bundesrat (senate) approval are in session there the next day.

    The money will be taken out of the budget surplus the federal government has (yes, we have one - financial planning called for paying off older debts with that). Some state governments - mostly those run by opposition parties (i.e. Thuringia / Left and Baden-Württemberg / Greens), but also some SPD governments - criticize the package for only budgeting for one-off assistance instead of persistent support. The prime minister of Thuringia proposed repurposing half of the solidarity tax that Germans pay for rebuilding East Germany, i.e. a possible budget of up to 9 billion. There is a discussion round between feds and states planned for September 24th, which Baden-Württemberg and Rhineland-Palatinate are calling for to be pushed forward to an earlier date.

    Official statement from the vice chancellor today is that as long as we keep it at around 500,000 refugees per year, we can take 'em in without problems for the next couple years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    In addition, the federal government documented that it will seek a quota system at EU level, with the vice chancellor already promising consequences for uncooperative "Eastern Europe" (not any state in particular) - pointing at the Austrian proposal to cut EU funding to Eastern Europe, and threatening to basically cancel Schengen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihais View Post
    Yes,go ahead,please.Just don't mention democracy anymore.
    Can it be canceled by say half members oposing the cancelation? Just when I was thought that ALL decisions are made by concensus in the EU.
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    Soon to be across the EU .

    Hungary to give army power to use rubber bullets and tear gas on refugees in crackdown

    TOUGH new powers have been issued by the Hungarian government to deal with the growing migrant crisis amid fears the country could be hit by terror attacks linked to the influx of refugees.

    By ROB VIRTUE AND AGNES KEGL
    PUBLISHED: 00:00, Thu, Sep 10, 2015 | UPDATED: 21:17, Thu, Sep 10, 2015






    The Hungarian police GETTY
    The army will be given powers to support the Hungarian police

    It will see the army being called in to deal with border checks and soldiers given the right to use a host of weapons against migrants.

    That will assist the police who will also be given new rights to fight people smugglers including entering homes without official authority and collecting information from abroad.

    The extreme law comes in as Janos Lazar, chief of cabinet to the prime minister, Viktor Orban, says that the possibility of terrorism is growing in Hungary, which has been under-siege from refugees in recent weeks.

    Gergely Gulyas, deputy leader of the party, announced the major changes will come in next week after it was approved by parliament.

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    Soldiers will be allowed to use rubber bullets, tear gas grenades, crowd-dissolving weapons and even arms that can harm the human body.

    The law states they must not takes lives unless "in the case of an attack that seriously jeopardises the life or the physical safety of people".

    The army will guard the border with Serbia at the Hungarian town of Roszke, and will be allowed to stop cars, close territories and carry out arrests.

    It will come as major assistance to an already stretched police force, trying to slow the influx of migrants to the country.

    Hungarian army GETTY
    The Hungarian army has supported the building of the country's fences with Serbia
    The activity of organised criminal groups and the possibility of terrorist attacks are both growing
    Janos Lazar
    The hardline Hungarian government has to ratify the law next week, but it is seen as a foregone conclusion after parliament overwhelmingly passed the legislation.

    Mr Lazar said: "The Ministry Of Home Affairs suggested to the government to announce the immigration crisis in Hungary.

    "The cabinet is going to make its decision next Tuesday.

    "The cabinet of national security receives information that the activity of organised criminal groups and the possibility of terrorist attacks are both growing.

    "The border lockdown should be finished by September 15 at Roszke, even on the railway."

    The law changes will also allow the government to imprison those crossing the border illegally.

    It expects more than 100 cases a day to go through the courts in a fast-track system.



    However, these figures have already been hit so the powers are likely to be brought in straight away.

    Authorities in Hungary have been told to expect another 40,000 migrants next week.

    Hungary's army has already begun exercises this week to practice border checks.

    The central European country is due to finish a second fence at its border with Serbia in the coming weeks but it has not been able to stop thousands breaking into the state.

    It recently completed a 110 mile razor-wire barrier and is working on 13 foot fence.

    The law change comes only a few days after the old home defence minister, Csaba Hende, resigned after a heated argument with Mr Orban, who responded by naming Istvan Simicsko as the new minister of defence.

    The country was this week one of many to reject mandatory refugee quotas from European bosses.


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    Have the powers that be ever heard of TROY , ISIS have already stated their intentions ,and so it begins ,,strange how these "refugees" have not sought asylum in Saudi etc etc . Only europe .??And the poxy EU welcomes them with open arms and wallets . FFS.


    Arms shipment hidden among aid to refugees




    The Greek Coast Guard and customs intercepted an aid container for “refugees” (who are almost all male and of fighting age) that was filled with weapons and ammunition.

    It appears that this was only reported on by local Greek news and has not been covered anywhere else. Hmm, I wonder why.

    As the container, loaded on the freighter ship Haddad 1, a Bolivian-registered vessel, arrived in Heraklion, Crete, one of Greece's largest island, a very popular resort island for sunbathing tourists, and currently temporary home to numerous refugees and migrants, customs inspected the cargo.

    Among aid intended for refugees, they found an arsenal of weapons and ammunition, mainly rifles and shotguns. They also found bulletproof vests, which indicate that the intended users expected a gunfight.

    ISIS has said straight out that the terrorist organization is building a force on European soil, stating that they will attack when the signal is given.

    Related: ISIS says thousands of fighters are already in place in Europe, disguised as refugees, just waiting for the signal.


    In the meantime, meaning right now, they continue to build the attack force. Disguised among refugees, they enter Europe. Then shipments of arms arrive, as this video shows.

    Luckily this shipment was discovered, but how many has passed through?

    Not really sure how many warnings that have to be given before politicians start to think, but it is urgent that they do so.

    Update: The coastguard said a search of only the first two of the 14 containers carried by the Bolivian vessel Haddad 1 had revealed almost 500,000 rounds of ammunition and 5,000 shotguns, of a type similar to that used by police, with no accompanying documentation, IB Times report

    They were found at the bottom of the containers, concealed by a load of furniture, including drawers, cupboards, and a layer of gymnastic mats.

    The Haddad 1, a rusty 65-metre vessel built in 1976 and registered in the port of La Paz, was intercepted off Ierapetra, southeast of Crete, earlier this week, and claimed to be heading to the Libyan city of Misrata.

    It had left the southern Turkish port of Iskenderun, about 50km from the Syrian border a few days earlier.

    Its crew of seven has been arrested, while inspectors continued searching the remaining containers in the port of Crete's largest city, Heraklion. Greek authorities have not released their nationalities, which local media say include Syrians, Egyptians and Indians.

    Greek Marine Minister Christos Zois praised the "professionalism" of the coastguard for the identification of the ship, adding the investigation was ongoing and further information would be released at a later stage. "The count of weapons and ammunition is continuing and we hope that soon we will have more information on this case," he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    Have the powers that be ever heard of TROY , ISIS have already stated their intentions ,and so it begins ,,strange how these "refugees" have not sought asylum in Saudi etc etc . Only europe .??And the poxy EU welcomes them with open arms and wallets . FFS.

    Neither have the Russians accepted any and yet they are in Syria. No doubt want no more Muslims than they already have.

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    via The Conservative Tree house: Reports coming in from various European News Outlets are confirming mass migration rampage events by hoards of Islamists cloaked as “refugees”.

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    “Half an hour ago on the border between Italy and Austria i saw a huge crowd of immigrants. With all solidarity to people in difficult circumstances I have to say that what I saw arouses horror.This huge mass of people – sorry – but it’s an absolute wilderness … Vulgar, throwing bottles, shouting “We want Germany”. So what, Germany is now a paradise?

    I saw an elderly Italian woman in a car that was surrounded by the immigrants. They pulled her by the hair out of the car and wanted to use it to go to Germany. They tried to topple the bus i was in. They threw feces at us, banging on the door for the driver to open it, spat on the glass. My question is- for what purpose? How do they want to assimilate in Germany? For a moment, i felt like in a warzone. I really feel sorry for these people, but if they would reach Poland – I do not think they would receive any understanding from us.

    We spent three hours on the border, but failed to get through. The whole group was later transported back to Italy by the police. The bus is butchered, feces smeared, scratched, broken windows. And this is supposed to be an idea for the demographics? These big powerful hordes?

    Among them there were almost no women and children – the vast majority was aggressive young men. Just yesterday I read the news on all the websites with real compassion, worried about their fate and today after what I saw I am just afraid. And I am happy they do not choose our country as their destination. We Poles are simply not ready to accept these people – neither culturally nor financially. I do not know if anyone is ready. A giant pathology is approaching the EU, one which we have never seen before. And sorry if anyone is offended by this entry.

    A car with humanitarian aid came. Food and water. They just toppled it and stole everything. With megaphones the Austrians announced a message that there is consensus for them to cross over the border – they wanted to register them and let them go on – but they did not understand these messages. None. And it was all the greatest horror … From those few thousand people nobody understood neither Italian nor English, or German, or Russian, or Spanish … What mattered was the law of the fist.

    They fought for permission to move on, but they were already allowed to do so. They did not understand that! They broke into the French bus – everything was stolen in a short time. Never in my short life, I had no opportunity to watch such scenes and I feel that this is just the beginning. On a final note, it is worth helping, but not at any price.” (link)

    This is in keeping with what we have earnestly tried to expose previously. These are not necessarily “refugees”; indeed, most are not refugees at all – they are opportunists from various regions, mostly North Africa, using the chaos in Libya/Syria to gain entry into Europe. See HERE – and Recent Historical Reference:

    Bloomberg Report – Lampedusa Island – Italy Abandoned



    In this next video Hungarian Police and Hungarian aid workers attempt to deliver water and food to the “refugees”. The aid is refused by most of the Islamists because it comes from the hands of the infidels:



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    Immigration

    Anyone who doubts the dangers involved only needs to remember what happened to CBS correspondent Lara Logan


    Read more at http://woundedamericanwarrior.com/to...-italy-videos/


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    German Ministry of Defense has mobilized 4,000 men to assist in setting up refugee camps. About 14,500 refugees are currently housed in 21 MoD facilities, including a number of bases shared with active troops (segregated with fences). A number of training facilities are stood down as possible tent camp sites.

    States are looking into where to set up the winterized housing. The refugee camp in my city has been mentioned for possible expansion from current 3,000 capacity to a possible 15,000 - it's set up in former US Army housing, and only uses about 15% of the housing available there.

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    Its madness , utter friggin madness ,, the only refugees seen should be old people n kids ,,not strapping muscle bound young men , running riot in most european countries now and destroying all they touch n see . TROY .

    An ISIS terrorist posing as an “asylum seeker” has been arrested by German police in a “refugee” center in Stuttgart, and German customs officers have seized boxes containing Syrian passports being smuggled into Europe.

    masked-ISIS

    According to a report carried by RTL’s German language service, the terrorist is a 21-year-old Moroccan using a “false identity” who had registered as an asylum seeker in the district of Ludwigsburg. He was identified after police linked him to a European arrest warrant issued by the Spanish authorities. He is accused of recruiting fighters for ISIS, where he acted as a contact person for fighters who wanted to travel to Syria or Iraq.

    This first confirmed arrest of a bogus “asylum seeker” came simultaneously with the admission by a German finance ministry spokesman that “boxes” of fake Syrian passports, destined for sale and distribution to the hordes of nonwhite invaders seeking to settle in Europe as bogus “war refugees,” had been seized.

    That news, carried in a report by the German Tagespiegel newspaper, also revealed that 10,000 fake Syrian passports were seized by police in Bulgaria, on their way to Germany.

    The finance ministry official said both genuine and forged passports were in the packets intercepted in the post. Possession of these passports is a vital part of claiming “asylum” as “war refugees.”

    The Tagespiegel also revealed that the fake Syrian passports are being sold for about $1,500 each—and the fact that many of the “refugees” can afford to buy multiple passports is yet another indication of the bogus nature of their claims to be “asylum seekers.”

    Significantly, the Tagespiegel article continued, “It is not only Syrians who are interested in Syrian passports. Refugees from Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan want to become Syrian in order to secure their recognition as asylum seekers in Western Europe. According to press reports, nine out of ten refugees who came from Macedonia to Serbia claimed they were Syrians.”

    The trade in fake Syrian passports was also confirmed by the head of the EU frontier police, Fabrice Leggeri, in a recent interview with the Europe 1 TV station.

    Leggeri told Europe 1 that the trade in fake Syrian passports originated in Turkey. “There are people who are now in Turkey, buying false Syrian passports because they have obviously realized that it is a windfall since Syrians get asylum in all Member States in the European Union,” he said.

    “People who use false Syrian passports often speak in Arabic. They may originate in North Africa or the Middle East, but have the profile of economic migrants.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Government coalition leaders decided on a package on Monday:
    • 3 billion Euro one-off for German states to aid with refugee housing for an additional 150,000 people; federal government will additionally provide sites for these planned winterized camps
    • 3 billion Euro one-off at federal level for refugee handling (quadrupled from this year)
    • 400 million Euro annual additional budget for foreign ministry for "reducing causes of migration"
    • construction law will allow some leeway for refugee housing
    • asylum seekers in state-level refugee camps will no longer receive pocket money
    • Kosovo, Albania and Montenegro will be declared "safe states" (i.e. all asylum applications from there denied)
    • asylum seekers from safe states will remain in the state-level camps until their asylum application is rejected
    • aid to asylum seekers with rejected applications (until deportation) is reduced
    • deportation will be set to occur a maximum of 3 months after asylum application is rejected (currently 6 months)
    • legal immigration will be made easier in particular for West Balkan nationals; any work contract satisfying German tariff law will be good for immigration from these countries (in other words, West Balkan nationals will be equal to EU nationals regarding employment)
    • temp agencies may hire asylum seekers after 3 months (currently 15)
    • federal police will get an additional 3,000 officers
    • federal volunteer service will get an additional 10,000 posts paid for
    • federal refugee ministry and job seeker centers will get additional staff
    • investment in language courses for refugees will be increased

    In addition, the federal government documented that it will seek a quota system at EU level, with the vice chancellor already promising consequences for uncooperative "Eastern Europe" (not any state in particular) - pointing at the Austrian proposal to cut EU funding to Eastern Europe, and threatening to basically cancel Schengen.

    Laws effecting the above are now hashed out and will be passed on October 15th, those needing Bundesrat (senate) approval are in session there the next day.

    The money will be taken out of the budget surplus the federal government has (yes, we have one - financial planning called for paying off older debts with that). Some state governments - mostly those run by opposition parties (i.e. Thuringia / Left and Baden-Württemberg / Greens), but also some SPD governments - criticize the package for only budgeting for one-off assistance instead of persistent support. The prime minister of Thuringia proposed repurposing half of the solidarity tax that Germans pay for rebuilding East Germany, i.e. a possible budget of up to 9 billion. There is a discussion round between feds and states planned for September 24th, which Baden-Württemberg and Rhineland-Palatinate are calling for to be pushed forward to an earlier date.

    Official statement from the vice chancellor today is that as long as we keep it at around 500,000 refugees per year, we can take 'em in without problems for the next couple years.

    Madness sheer madness.
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    Bolo , we wont have children then , we are being fucked out of existence .

    Absolute friggin madness and in this highly volatile world of today in europe ,,where is our ,,UK ,, glory arsed leader camoronoccio ,, watching fkin cricket and getting paid for it . Oh yea and N/Ireland is falling apart as well .


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