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    Quote Originally Posted by tbm3fan View Post
    Is that really the right word to describe them?
    The politically neutral word (used in Germany) to describe them is "asylum seekers". They're asking for asylum for whatever reason they bring forward. It doesn't mean that reason will be accepted.

    Indian cases are somewhat interesting because apparently - for decades - Indian traffickers have been extremely inventive in finding routes to Germany, and many Indians who try it can raise the money to go through those inventive routes. The perhaps most interesting route popped up in 1993 when Czechoslovakia broke up; Indians at that point took flight to Ukraine, got smuggled into Slovakia, from there crossed the - in the breakup completely unchecked - border into the Czech Republic and then walked across the border to Germany. Germany curbed that entry route at the time by deploying fancy new IR-based surveillance along its Eastern border after a few weeks, directing patrols to groups so they could send them back across the border.

    Quote Originally Posted by tbm3fan View Post
    If so what exactly are they fleeing in India?
    For those that flee perceived political persecution, they're most commonly Sikhs often involved with political movements. There have been a few more tragic cases such as a rejected asylum seeker being beaten to death by Indian police in prison a few months after being deported (in the 90s), or more recently (in 2011) the German Federal President officially asking in India for a stay of execution on a guy who'd been deported and then sentenced to death based on acts that occured before he sought asylum in Germany.
    Their handling was decided mostly in the 80s and early 90s, when there were actual violent clashes between Sikhs and Hindus, and decisions by courts went all the way up to the Supreme Court - who decided that we'd still deport them all.

    There are a few Indians in Germany - maybe 100, maybe 200 - who were actually accepted as political refugees from that kind of political frame over the years (mostly in the last two decades, up till around 1990 we took exactly zero). But for each of them of course there's a thousand who got deported.

    Quote Originally Posted by kuku View Post
    Or if they are applying for refugee entry, they are denied and just wait deportation.
    Yes. The decision time on asylum requests by Indians tends to be on the fast side too.
    Last edited by kato; 10 Dec 16, at 11:25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    Refugees welcome . #Berlin
    Main suspect has been arrested today btw. He's Bulgarian.

    The other three guys in the video walking away with him are currently suspected to be two of his two brothers and a friend of his. A third brother of the guy was arrested but has been released again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Main suspect has been arrested today btw. He's Bulgarian.

    The other three guys in the video walking away with him are currently suspected to be two of his two brothers and a friend of his. A third brother of the guy was arrested but has been released again.
    So its not the Berlin jolly boys saturday night normal thing huh ,whether syrian african libyan bulgarian iraqi etc etc they aint respecting your culture , still im glad they caught them . whoever they are . But they aint good ol tortenarsche duetche menche huh , they are , hmmmmmmmmm auslanders , Ja .
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    Interesting mass study evaluating the educational background of refugees who arrived in the last wave - between the beginning of 2013 and early 2016 - came out today; only available in German though. It mostly analyzes what kind of education refugees - of various nationalities, though focusing on six groups: Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Western Balkan, Eritrea/Somalia, Iran/Pakistan - have received in their home countries and what kind of job qualification target they have by now.

    The 220,000 adult Syrian refugees can be grouped as following:
    - 37% have had job qualifications acquired in Syria recognized in Germany
    - 22% have a general education degree and want to obtain vocational job qualifications
    - 22% want to finish school to a qualifying degree and then attend university aiming for a graduate or post-graduate degree
    - 14% want to finish school to a lower (general education) degree and then obtain vocational job qualifications
    - 8% have university qualifications and intend to get a graduate or post-graduate degree
    (3% apparently fit in multiple categories, probably people with recognized job qualifications who want to switch to another field)

    Of the 36% who want to finish school to some degree, 67% are confident they will be able to do so within the next two years. Of the 36% aiming for vocational training 72% are confident for within the next two years. Of the 30% aiming for university 36% are confident to be able to do so within the next two years.

    Among adult Syrians, upon arrival 2% held a PhD degree, 16% a Bachelor or Master degree, 34% had completed secondary schooling and 40% had only primary or lower secondary education. The last category is far more pronounced among Kurdish Kurmanji speakers (than among Arab speakers) and among women (than among men).

    The confidence rates among Syrians - especially for those aiming to study - are rather high in comparison to other nationalities; among Western Balkanese, only 9% of those intending to get a university degree in Germany are confident they will be able to attend university within the next two years. Syrians, due to their higher average age (far less adolescents among them than among in particular Afghanis and Iraqis) and resulting more prevalent previous qualifications, are also far more interested in academic education than other nationalities - as a different example among the Eritrean/Somali group pretty much everyone aims for vocational training instead; Western Balkanese apparently don't aim for any kind of formal job qualifications as a general rule.

    Somewhat interestingly, Syrians have the highest rate of learning German; the percentage share who can speak very good German compared to arrival expanded 23-fold among them (from 1% to 23%), while e.g. among the Eritrean/Somali group it expanded 5.75-fold (from 4% to 23%) or among Western Balkanese only 2.4-fold (from 15% to 36%).

    Overall the group interviewed some 3,500 households that included 11,000 refugees for the study, chosen at random from the central foreigner register. Among these 40% were Syrians (same number as among refugees in general for that arrival timeframe). 79% of the interviewed Syrians were Arabs, 20% were Kurdish Kurmanji speakers. The refugees interviewed live throughout Germany. In total there are 300,749 Syrian refugees living in Germany who arrived during the given timeframe - out of 735,010 refugees overall who arrived in that timeframe and still lived in Germany by June 30th 2016. A refugee in this context is anyone who filed an asylum request; of those still living in Germany by then 55.1% had a asylum request process going on, 34.8% had been accepted for asylum or subsidiary protection and 10.1% had been rejected and were due for deportation once possible. The majority of these - two thirds - had arrived in 2015 alone.

    Age and gender variation among Syrians does show a distinct lack of women between age 10 and 29, although this is not particular to Syrians (or other Middle Easterners) and evident among all groups of refugees in Germany. It is notable that this also affects teenagers arriving with parents, not just young adults (with typically a 65:35 boy/girl split among teenagers arriving with parents, coming from a near 50:50 among younger children), and that this does not seem particular pronounced among Middle Easterners either - in fact the largest split among teenagers (77:23) is among Eritreans/Somalis. As such this split is likely - beyond the simplistic Eurabia mongers - sourced in both cultural gender perception and perceived endangerment of younger females on such a journey.

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