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    It's the theocracy testing the 'line in the sand'. No action will be taken because Obama wants a legacy.
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    It's okay, their missile tests are more dangerous to themselves than anyone else...even if they are inert.
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    Iran has reportedly removed the nuclear core from the Arak reactor and filled it with cement.

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    Powell Acknowledges Israeli Nukes

    Some quotes from Powell:

    Negotiators can’t get what he wants. Anyway, Iranians can’t use one if they finally make one. The boys in Tehran know Israel has 200, all targeted on Tehran, and we have thousands. As Akmdinijad (sic) [said], “What would we do with one, polish it?” I have spoken publicly about both nK and Iran. We’ll blow up the only thing they care about—regime survival. Where, how would they even test one?
    They say, correctly, that they have every right to enrich for energy. Russians helped build a power reactor at Busher. Can’t get enough sanctions to break them. Lots of bs around about their progress. Bibi likes to say “a year away,” as do our intel guys. They say it every years. I ain’t that easy to do.

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    It seems that the Iran nuclear deal was conceived as a means of getting to war with Iran. In 2009 the Brookings Institution published Which Path to Persia? which suggested that the deal should be pursued essentially to prove to the global community that the US was not the aggressor, when it really wanted war all along. Iran's breach or repudiation of the deal, which could be portrayed in a Saddam WMD-style stunt, might constitute a green light for all-out war.

    Quoting from the paper:
    ..any military operation against Iran will likely be very unpopular around the world and require the proper international context—both to ensure the logistical support the operation would require and to minimize the blowback from it. The best way to minimize international opprobrium and maximize support (however, grudging or covert) is to strike only when there is a widespread conviction that the Iranians were given but then rejected a superb offer—one so good that only a regime determined to acquire nuclear weapons and acquire them for the wrong reasons would turn it down. Under those circumstances, the United States (or Israel) could portray its operations as taken in sorrow, not anger, and at least some in the international community would conclude that the Iranians “brought it on themselves” by refusing a very good deal.
    Which Path to Persia?

    Meanwhile, Israel has been positioning itself for strikes against Iran in self-defence (legitimately or not), portraying Iran as an existential threat, since before the JCPOA. Iran has done no favours for itself in this area. Not far away, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has gone into overdrive with its military budget, now the third largest in the world behind the US and China.

    Just recently, we have unverified reports that Iran is acting on its nuclear weaponization aspiration.
    The NCRI is not a neutral party but it has been right about this stuff before.
    If true, this might be all the US needs to "tear up" the deal and even begin military action, when the time is right.

    Given the intermittent bursts of anti-Iran rhetoric, continued hostility from within various branches of the US government, the stance of Israel and the Gulf Arabs, the ongoing resistance brought by Iran in the Middle East against the US and allies, and the reasonable accuracy of Wesley Clark's "we're gonna take out seven countries in five years" revelation, I think we're headed for war with Iran. It may not happen for awhile, though.

    Iran is essentially the only anti-American state left in the Middle East. With the fall of Syria it has lost its last proper state ally (in my opinion Russia and China are not proper allies) and is becoming rather isolated. It makes sense that Iran, the largest and most challenging target, would be left until last.

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