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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    Yeah. Good luck with that one. Unless the BBC is declared a terrorist organization, India does not have the right to dictate business that happens outside of India.
    Neither does US but US does it anyway. It doesn't have to be a terrorist organization but a label where it promote violence or disorder among society or undue influence among society and US use very liberal rules and definition to get what they want.

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    And frankly, Hitesh, looking through this thread, I have zero confidence that India would carry out its threat against the BBC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blademaster View Post
    Neither does US but US does it anyway. It doesn't have to be a terrorist organization but a label where it promote violence or disorder among society or undue influence among society and US use very liberal rules and definition to get what they want.
    So how does the US stop Al Jazeera from reporting banned views?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    So how does the US stop Al Jazeera from reporting banned views?
    The US were this close from declaring Al Jazeera as a material support provider for Al Qaeda and Taliban and asked other nations to do the dirty work such as Qatar or Bahrain to shut them down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blademaster View Post
    The US were this close from declaring Al Jazeera as a material support provider for Al Qaeda and Taliban and asked other nations to do the dirty work such as Qatar or Bahrain to shut them down.
    Close only counts in grenade catching.
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    Bar Council Issues Notices to Defence Lawyers for Remarks in Nirbhaya Documentary

    New Delhi: The Bar Council of India has issued notices to two defence lawyers for their remarks in a documentary "India's Daughter" - depicting the brutal gang-rape and murder of a paramedic student in Delhi in 2012 - that have sparked massive outrage and condemnation.

    In its notice, the council, which met late last night, has given the lawyers - ML Sharma and AK Singh - three weeks' time to explain why disciplinary action should not be initiated against them for their remarks.

    In the film - banned in India and telecast by the BBC on Wednesday night - Mr Sharma has, at one point, said that "there is no place for women in Indian culture. Both AK Singh and he make other outrageous comments too.

    "Once they file their reply to the showcause notice, we will examine and if we find that an enquiry needs to be initiated, then after holding the enquiry, the bar council has the power to revoke licence," Manan Mishra, Chairman, Bar Council of India told NDTV.

    Mr Sharma and Mr Singh are the lawyers for the four men on death row for gang-raping and killing a 23-year-old woman in a moving bus in Delhi in December 2012. The woman came to be known as "Nirbhaya" or fearless, and became a symbol for India's fight to check crimes against women.

    The lawyers' comments triggered a massive outpouring of criticism and demands of punishment for the duo on social media with fellow lawyers even calling for a revocation of their licences.

    On Thursday, Mr Sharma told NDTV that his views had been misrepresented, alleging that the filmmaker, Leslee Udwin, used only a part of what he said. "She took my interview for 10 days, showed only one line," he said.

    "I have committed no crime," he said, adding that he would respond if served with a notice from the bar council.

    Lawyer AK Singh, whose comments about women provoked outrage too, said people who opposed him were "biased". He said he received calls from many people who told him that they supported his views

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    And those journalists would be penalized for doing business with an outlawed entity.
    An onion skinned country terrified of bad press going up against a major media outlet, to cover up reporting on gang rape, and risking other journalists joining in... Yeah OK... Really see them wanting to fight that unnecessary fight...

    Seriously the negative news coverage would write itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by troung View Post
    An onion skinned country terrified of bad press going up against a major media outlet, to cover up reporting on gang rape, and risking other journalists joining in... Yeah OK... Really see them wanting to fight that unnecessary fight...

    Seriously the negative news coverage would write itself.
    The main point is this film will provoke mob violence. This basically is the govt's defense against free speech. Forget trials or justice, mobs break into prisons not just in one place but any where in the country and carry out their own sentences. Bypass the govt.

    The argument is better to restrict free speech otherwise you will provide more avenues for mob rule.

    You can take anil's picture posted on page two as a one shot counter to the entire indian censorship thread. It relies on fear building on fear and snowballing further. That sensitivites once offended lead to people that are willing to act against the state and that the state will be overwhelmed in defending its writ and potentially lose its legitimacy.

    What to do ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    So? BBC owns the rights.

    Are you joking me? Free Masons and Illumanati mean anything to you? Or how about the Secret War in Northern Ireland?
    It still doesn't give media the right to intervene in judicial process, especially investigators are still trying to get to the bottom of the case.

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    The media has every right to find out all they can. It's called a free press and they did not intervene in a judicial process. India has ZERO jurisdiction outside of India.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    The media has every right to find out all they can. It's called a free press and they did not intervene in a judicial process. India has ZERO jurisdiction outside of India.
    Free press comes with responsibility- when the case is ongoing in Indian courts, and passionate public feelings which could have law and order implications are present, the media has a duty to consider consequences.

    Would the media hold an interview with an accused rapist in the West, in the backdrop of potential vigilante action and/or mob rule?

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    Would the media hold an interview with an accused rapist in the West, in the backdrop of potential vigilante action and/or mob rule?
    Yes.

    It still doesn't give media the right to intervene in judicial process, especially investigators are still trying to get to the bottom of the case.
    They can report all they want. They report in America on crimes which occur and there is a rich system of leaks from both sides in a case. Giving a defendant the chance to hang himself on camera is not an interference.

    The argument is better to restrict free speech otherwise you will provide more avenues for mob rule.
    Holds no water in the West and would led to clannish reporters reporting every negative thing they can find and using it to paint India as "Rapeistan." Going after journalists with the argument that reporting on an event will lead to mob violence is at best admitting India has a pitifully weak system of governance and at worse will be seen as covering for rapists. It's idiotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duellist View Post
    Free press comes with responsibility- when the case is ongoing in Indian courts, and passionate public feelings which could have law and order implications are present, the media has a duty to consider consequences.
    Why the hell should my press in Canada obey a court order from India to tell me what I can or cannot find out? We don't allow Stalin and Kim tell us what to do and sure as hell, I ain't allowing a court in India telling me what to do in Canada.

    Just because Indian citizens can read Canadian news does not mean we should obey Indian laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    The main point is this film will provoke mob violence. This basically is the govt's defense against free speech. Forget trials or justice, mobs break into prisons not just in one place but any where in the country and carry out their own sentences. Bypass the govt.

    The argument is better to restrict free speech otherwise you will provide more avenues for mob rule.


    What to do ?
    Mob rule is an extreme scenario. The problem is that India is not a true liberal democracy, and will not become one till it develops further economically, as well as undergoing significant cultural reform. At its' most basic level the problem is an unresponsive and uncaring state- how many such crimes could be prevented by simple things like competent, empathetic police officers, CCTV and even street lighting?

    Restricting free speech is not the answer- it will damage India's reputation at precisely the moment you need to start being credited with better governance. Social reform will take a generation, but police reform is doable in the next 10 years. Modi will need to bite the bullet on this one soon if India is to be an attractive investment and tourism destination like China. He has done it before, IIRC gujurati cities under him were rated the safest in India for women?

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    I am against banning media in any way, shape or form except where national security is involved, but I don't think it ought to insert itself into ongoing criminal cases where public sentiment is high. I think this ought to be a universal standard. Reading through the thread, that's not the case, unfortunately, either in India or seemingly the West.

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