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    The difference is the emergence of strong leaders in China while Putin was late to the game. Out of the internal strife, China put forth Zhou and Deng. Russia put forth Yeltsin. There was absolutely zero question who the leader was in China and cross him at your own pearl ... and a few tried, including Jiang Qing.

    And truth be told, Deng and Zhou couldn't care less how many people died on the way to a prosperous China. Hell, Putin could not survive politically if too many Russians die in the Ukraines.

    The same cannot be said of Yeltsin. So compare the Russia Yeltsin left to the Russia of Putin today.
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    Bill Clinton: Hillary Clinton has 'rarely,' but on occasion, had dehydration spells
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    By Eric Bradner, CNN

    Updated 7:37 PM ET, Mon September 12, 2016



    Washington (CNN)Former President Bill Clinton says Hillary Clinton has a history of occasionally becoming severely dehydrated and suffering "the same sort of thing" she experienced when she stumbled leaving an event Sunday.
    "Rarely, on more than one occasion, over the last many, many years, the same sort of thing's happened to her when she got severely dehydrated, and she's worked like a demon, as you know, as secretary of state, as a senator, and in the years since," Bill Clinton told Charlie Rose, in a clip of an interview aired on CBS Monday evening.

    Hillary Clinton is "doing fine" now as she recuperates from pneumonia at home in New York, Bill Clinton said.
    "She was even better last night before she went to sleep. She had a good night's sleep. She just got dehydrated yesterday," the former president told Rose of Hillary Clinton's early departure from a commemorative ceremony at Ground Zero in Manhattan -- and her stumble at her campaign van.
    Clinton's campaign revealed hours later Sunday that she'd been diagnosed Friday with pneumonia, and said she'd become overheated that morning. Bill Clinton said nothing more serious is happening.
    "Well, if it is (more serious) then it's a mystery to me and all of her doctors," Bill Clinton said.
    When Rose noted Clinton's age -- at 68, she'd be among the oldest first-term presidents -- and her grueling campaign schedule, Bill Clinton pointed to his wife's more recent campaign events.
    "She had two-and-a-half hard days before the day when she got dizzy," he said. "Today she made a decision, which I think was correct, to cancel her campaign day to take one more day to rest."
    Asked if the former secretary of state could miss weeks on the campaign trail, Bill Clinton said: "No, not a shot. I'll be lucky to hold her back another day."
    Clinton canceled a planned trip Monday to California. Her campaign has said it will release more details about her medical history later this week in an effort to demonstrate she isn't suffering greater health problems.
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/politi...lth/index.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    And Zhou En Lai and his protogie won that Civil War and Deng won two more Civil Wars after that and crushed internal dissent with an iron fist that would have made Stalin proud.
    Out of the internal strife, China put forth Zhou and Deng. Russia put forth Yeltsin. There was absolutely zero question who the leader was in China and cross him at your own pearl ... and a few tried, including Jiang Qing.
    Zhou Enlai's death led to the First Tiananmen Incident (Qing Ming, 1976), at which time Jiang Qing and the other Gangsters were still waging Cultural Revolution. Mao Zedong chose Deng Xiaoping (in 1973-74) to rein in the post-Lin Biao PLA, and because he knew that Zhou was not healthy and might not be around to manage the post-Mao transition.


    Deng Xiaoping was restored to power in August 1977, 11 months after Mao died. During those 11 months, Hua Guofeng established (in Feb 1977) the "Two Whatevers" principle (两个凡是): "We will resolutely uphold whatever policy decisions Chairman Mao made, and unswervingly follow whatever instructions Chairman Mao gave." Deng swallowed that malarkey for a bit more than a year, and then countered with an ancient couplet, "Seek truth from facts" (實事求是) that dates back to the Han.

    After the 11th National Party Congress (Aug 1977) confirmed Hua as chair, premier and head of the military affairs committee -- more titles than Mao had -- Deng maneuvered to cut Hua's feet out from under him. He followed the old Mao strategy of surrounding the cities, in this case, by reorganizing the provincial Revolutionary Committees into People's Governments. At a stroke, dozens of RC vice chairs were out of jobs, and a few reliable ones made Vice Governors. Within about a year, Hua didn't have a leg to stand on.

    Still, Deng had to content with Chen Yun and a couple of other party stalwarts. He ruled with the consent of his colleagues, but when they presented a united front in opposition to some part of his program (e.g., too rapid liberalization), he had to temporarily back down.
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    She forgets to hydrate. So, what else will she forget when elected?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    She forgets to hydrate. So, what else will she forget when elected?
    My wife is 63 and also suffers from this on occasion. It happens in some post menopausal women. Its not something which is neither debilitating nor life threatening. It is annoying. She treats it radically...by improving her hydration. That is why she has a reminder to drink her water. Perhaps SEC Clinton should do the same. It happens sometimes when people get very busy in stressful situations. My wife runs a large hospital which serves as the major trauma center in Central Virginia from the Appomattox to the North Carolina border. Sometimes things get in the way.
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    actually, the way the media is jumping on this story as yet another example of Clinton nefariously hiding something makes me understand why it is she's so paranoid about media presence.

    of all the stupid stuff that she did try to hide, this ain't it.

    this current news cycle is stupid beyond words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    actually, the way the media is jumping on this story as yet another example of Clinton nefariously hiding something makes me understand why it is she's so paranoid about media presence.

    of all the stupid stuff that she did try to hide, this ain't it.

    this current news cycle is stupid beyond words.
    Career congenital liar paranoid about media gets media attention = stupid media. I see.

    Get used to it, because everything she says in the next 4 to 8 years damn well should be in doubt and scrutinized. She's earned it.

    And just to save DOR some time...

    Oh yeah? Well, Trump is a racisthomophobewomanhaterclubmemberer. So there! Nyah, nyah!

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    actually, the way the media is jumping on this story as yet another example of Clinton nefariously hiding something makes me understand why it is she's so paranoid about media presence.

    of all the stupid stuff that she did try to hide, this ain't it.

    this current news cycle is stupid beyond words.
    Dem nominee was propped up against a pole and held under the arm pits by an aide until she collapsed in a heap. The sole reason she didn't face plant into the van, bounce off, and drop in the gutter; is because her thieving carcass was frog marched to the van and chucked inside like a bag of trash by three people.

    Thieving liar should have stayed home if this minimal scrutiny is too much for her delicate condition.


    Clinton IT specialist ignores subpoena for House hearing; other witnesses plead 5th


    Published September 13, 2016
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    The former State Department IT specialist who set up Hillary Clinton’s private server ignored a subpoena to appear Tuesday before a House committee hearing, while other tech experts who helped maintain the system asserted their Fifth Amendment right not to testify – frustrating Republican lawmakers trying to dig deeper into the former secretary of state’s email setup.

    House oversight committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, said he’ll now consider a “full range of options” to address IT aide Bryan Pagliano’s “failure” to attend.

    “He should be here. … It is not optional,” Chaffetz said. “His attendance is required here.”

    Pagliano is considered a vital witness in the Clinton email case. He spoke previously to the FBI under immunity, telling the bureau there were no successful security breaches of the server. Pagliano also refused to answer questions last year before a House panel investigating the deadly 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya. His lawyers said at the time that Pagliano did not want to relinquish his rights under the U.S. Constitution's Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination.

    Republicans on Tuesday questioned why Pagliano would avoid the latest hearing if he had immunity, though Democrats pushed back. According to Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., Pagliano’s lawyer said the request was an “abuse of process.”

    Two other officials from Platte River Networks, Bill Thornton and Paul Combetta, did comply with subpoenas to appear. However, when it came time to answer questions, they pleaded the Fifth. The Denver-based technology company maintained Clinton’s server when it was moved from her Chappaqua, New York, home to a data center in northern New Jersey.

    Combetta took the Fifth six times and Thornton took the Fifth four times, before both witnesses were excused.

    After each question, they recited a variation of the line: “On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer and assert my Fifth Amendment constitutional privilege.”

    Cummings said he could “understand” why they were not addressing questions.

    But Chaffetz voiced frustration when Thornton declined to even answer whether he’d been questioned by the FBI. GOP lawmakers have wanted to question tech officials on the deletion of email records and other alleged attempts to destroy devices.

    Chaffetz also said there will be consequences for Pagliano's refusal to appear and for "thumbing his nose at Congress." He didn't specify what the penalties would be but said, "We're not letting go of this."

    A letter from Pagliano's attorney released by the committee says Pagliano will continue to assert his constitutional right not to testify.

    The only witness remaining after the unfruitful initial questioning was Bill Clinton aide Justin Cooper, who answered lawmakers’ questions.

    During that process, he confirmed that he had access to the Clinton server but did not hold a security clearance.

    The email issue has shadowed Clinton's candidacy, and Republicans have been steadfast in focusing on her use of a private server for government business, with several high-profile hearings leading up to the election. Democrats insist the sole purpose of the hearings is to undermine Clinton's bid for the presidency.

    Chaffetz on Monday escalated the GOP's battle with the FBI after its decision in July not to recommend criminal charges against Clinton for her use of the private email system by serving a top FBI official with a subpoena for the full case file. Chaffetz and other Republicans on the panel said the bureau has withheld summaries of interviews with witnesses and unnecessarily blacked out material from documents sent last month.

    “We are entitled to the full file," he said.

    Dismissing the "emergency" hearing held late on a Monday, Cummings said: "As far as I can tell, the only `emergency' is that the election is less than two months away."

    Chaffetz issued the subpoena to Jason Herring, the acting assistant FBI director for congressional affairs. Herring and six other Obama administration officials appeared before the committee to discuss the investigative files. The witnesses on several occasions said they could not answer the questions from lawmakers in an open forum.

    The Associated Press contributed to this report.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...plead-5th.html
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    it's not the "scrutiny" that annoys me, it's the -stupid- scrutiny. seriously, she didn't say she had pneumonia = oh my god clinton conniving paranoia national security threat. hell, FDR hid the fact that he had a wheelchair and polio for how long?

    all this does is play into the equally stupid Trumpist conspiracy theory about how she has Parkinson's or cancer or whatever.
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    LOL, they're having conniptions about Hilary but ignore the fact that Trump had a medical where he was pronounced as fit and ready for business (and the healthiest ever US candidate for POTUS) - and yet the Dr who made the claims didn't even physically check him

    I pity the senior sirs and analysts who have to deal with him if he ever gets to be POTUS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    She forgets to hydrate. So, what else will she forget when elected?
    I forget to hydrate when deeply involved on the Hornet doing some work. Two docents and one ship restoration volunteer, all over 70, have passed out and 911 called because they took it for granted. It happens...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wooglin View Post
    Career congenital liar
    Can you prove that?

    While you are at it can you also prove Trump is not a career congenital liar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    it's not the "scrutiny" that annoys me, it's the -stupid- scrutiny. seriously, she didn't say she had pneumonia = oh my god clinton conniving paranoia national security threat. hell, FDR hid the fact that he had a wheelchair and polio for how long?

    all this does is play into the equally stupid Trumpist conspiracy theory about how she has Parkinson's or cancer or whatever.
    That's peanuts. Ike had a severe heart attack in 1955 and then was reelected in 1956. I guess a heart attack is less severe than pneumonia.

    JFK had severe issues with Addison's Disease. Once again I guess not as bad as pneumonia.

    Or, is it a double standard? Lots of ways for a sexist to describe a woman having issues due to her hormones, her period and so forth. Why no equivalent for describing a man's issues? I have heard a politician say she is on the rag but I have never heard a politician say his opposition can't get it up. Why anyone would think of using such statements is beyond me.

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    The difference is that Mao, Zhou and Deng were first generation revolutionaries; they actually fought for power. Putin wasn’t even born until 1952.
    He's more like the Red Guard who thought they were on top of the world until it collapsed like a damp house of cards.

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    Back on topic, I'll trade Hillary's medical records for Donald's tax records ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbm3fan View Post
    That's peanuts. Ike had a severe heart attack in 1955 and then was reelected in 1956. I guess a heart attack is less severe than pneumonia.

    JFK had severe issues with Addison's Disease. Once again I guess not as bad as pneumonia.

    Or, is it a double standard? Lots of ways for a sexist to describe a woman having issues due to her hormones, her period and so forth. Why no equivalent for describing a man's issues? I have heard a politician say she is on the rag but I have never heard a politician say his opposition can't get it up. Why anyone would think of using such statements is beyond me.
    Do I really have to explain the distinction between two war heroes and a doddering old lady?

    Mind you, I think this talk about Hillary's health is overblown, but that you are immediately leaping to sexism is exactly why any Republican is superior to any Democrat in this particular cycle. Once y'all stop accusing everyone who slightly disagrees with you of being sexist/racist/transphobic/whatever, we can talk about electing Democrats again.
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