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Originally posted by Mihais View PostGentlemen,there will be no war with Iran.You can take it and go to the bank with that statement.
You don't go to war against your allies.Yes,Iran is an ally. Israel can't and won't be.Iranian soldiers are dying fighting against IS,while Israelis never fought along Americans.
I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if we nuked the whole country."The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck
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Originally posted by GVChamp View PostI don't consider Iran an ally. The only time they were on our team was when we installed the torturing maniac. Before that, Mossadegh's entire government was getting infiltrated by commies, before that they tried joining Team Hitler, after that they were the #trendsetters for #globaljhad.
I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if we nuked the whole country.
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Saudi Arabia bankrupted the Soviet Union and is currently bankrupting Russia.
Pakistan, well, they are not the nicest people in the world, but presumably they help out somewhere if my elected representatives still have them on the list of non-NATO major allies.
What has Iran done to make them US allies? They supported forces that attacked our soldiers in Iraq. That's not "alliance," that's "casus belli.""The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck
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We pretty much fvcked up Afghanistan due to your major allies supporting the Taliban,so you should pe used by now with the idea.
You threatened them with war in rather explicit ways,then you wonder why they want to keep you busy elsewhere.Now they're killing those you weren't able to pacify.And fixing your fvck-up with the Iraqi army.
As for global jihad,the Shia don't go global.The most they want is becoming a regional power and the control of a bigger chunk of oil and gas.Considering the alternative,they're rather moderate in their wishes.Those who know don't speak
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Of course we threatend them with war, they are on the state sponsored terror list. Everyone on that list should be threatened with war, hourly."The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck
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Originally posted by InExile View PostI don't agree with how you frame that argument; it seems to reverse cause and effect.
All I'm pointing out is that Democrats have been more than happy to undermine both Presidential foreign policy and indeed Israeli foreign policy prior to this. No doubt there are Republican examples as well.
The joint session is a new platform, as is Obama objecting to a foreign leader speaking to it.
The undermining is not.In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.
Leibniz
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Then you pretty much negociated the Iraqi government with them,while in 2001 you worked with them against the Taliban.Iran is no more terror sponsor than a gazillion other states in the world.Including you.So I'd say you leave ideology and BS aside and get back to serious bussiness.Those who know don't speak
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
Politicians babbling is not the same as Congress meddling in treaty negotiations.
What? The US-India 123 Agreement and the Hyde Act.
Did I say something wrong? Seemed to me a perfectly logical point, like a cow isn't a horse.To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
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Let's refocus...
We're slip sliding back into the larger Iran issue, already chewed on in various old threads.
Let's refocus on the Bibi saga, particularly on whether he accomplished his mission this week (sink the negotiations, get re-elected) and whether the GOP Congress got any farther toward achieving its goal (re-set the negotiations, add stiffer sanctions, and of course the old standby, tweek Obama in the eye at every opportunity).
Lot's of good points made here on all these questions.
One we can safely set aside at this point is the protocol/propriety question of Congress inviting a head of state to address it in this instance. That horse is pretty well beat to death.
What matters now is what will happen next. Did Bibi gum up the negotiations? Will he get re-elected? Were Israeli-US relations delivered a major setback? Will the GOP and like-minded Dems get a stiffer sanction bill passed? etc
Just to throw some wood on the fire here is a compilation of reactions from the usual suspects:
Did Netanyahu make the case? - CNN.comTo be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
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Originally posted by JAD_333 View PostWe're slip sliding back into the larger Iran issue, already chewed on in various old threads.
Let's refocus on the Bibi saga, particularly on whether he accomplished his mission this week (sink the negotiations, get re-elected) and whether the GOP Congress got any farther toward achieving its goal (re-set the negotiations, add stiffer sanctions, and of course the old standby, tweek Obama in the eye at every opportunity).
Lot's of good points made here on all these questions.
One we can safely set aside at this point is the protocol/propriety question of Congress inviting a head of state to address it in this instance. That horse is pretty well beat to death.
What matters now is what will happen next. Did Bibi gum up the negotiations? Will he get re-elected? Were Israeli-US relations delivered a major setback? Will the GOP and like-minded Dems get a stiffer sanction bill passed? etc
Just to throw some wood on the fire here is a compilation of reactions from the usual suspects:
Did Netanyahu make the case? - CNN.com
So Bibi didn't really do anything meaningful except spit in the eye of the President and peed in his shoes.
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostHe gummed up the negotiations in that there is already a hardening stance from the Republicans and greater desire to derail the process. As for reelection, he will get re-elected. Israelis-US relations have definitely taken into a different direction now. The sanction bill wont make it past a presidential veto and the bill is not veto proof.
So Bibi didn't really do anything meaningful except spit in the eye of the President and peed in his shoes.
Your first sentence contradicts your last. That kind of symbolizes the diversity of reactions to Bibi's speech and all the issues surrounding it.To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
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Originally posted by JAD_333 View PostBlade:
Your first sentence contradicts your last. That kind of symbolizes the diversity of reactions to Bibi's speech and all the issues surrounding it.
The last sentence should be amended to say, "So Bibi didn't do really do anything positively meaningful. He just spat in the eye of the President and peed in the President's shoes."
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