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    Should India Send Troops to Iraq

    Should India Send Troops to Iraq?

    By Salil Tripathi
    The United States has requested India provide over 15,000 peacekeepers to stabilize operations in Iraq. If India agrees, its contingent would be one of the largest, joining peacekeepers from Denmark, the Czech Republic, Poland, the Netherlands, Italy, Norway, Portugal, Romania, New Zealand and Lithuania, with more likely to follow, including, possibly, troops from Pakistan. Indian troops are likely to lead operations in the mainly Kurdish northern sector.

    Some Indian strategic planners see this as an excellent opportunity for India, which has been seeking a spot at the head table in international affairs for some years now. But despite its size, democratic order and nuclear strength, India feels the international community has overlooked Indian aspirations.

    Yet, opinion in India remains divided for several reasons: the reduced authority of the U.N. and its diminished role in post-war Iraq, skepticism over American intentions and the role of Pakistan. While India has sent peacekeepers abroad before, they have operated under the U.N. or Indian flag. Official Indian perception remains that the U.N.'s authority was bypassed because the war in Iraq was waged without an explicit Security Council resolution permitting force. By sending peacekeepers to assist the U.S., India would be "approving" a war that the Indian parliament was critical of. In fact, two left-leaning former prime ministers, Vishwanath Pratap Singh and Inder Kumar Gujral, have appealed to the ruling National Democratic Alliance coalition to turn down the U.S.request. (Both are decent men, but one should remember that they spent less than a year each as prime minister, and are considered spent forces in politics.) Some officials also say patrolling Iraq after the controversial war
    Would harm India's strategic interests.

    Iraq has not been liberated, it has been occupied, argues Prem Shanker Jha, a columnist who has been an adviser to Mr. Singh. He wrote recently: "TheIraqis resent [the occupation] and are preparing to resist it. If India sends its troops . . . it will be as part of an occupation force. Indian soldiers will be fired upon. And they will fire back. We will end up as the mercenaries of the new American Empire. If Indian troops enter Iraq, Iraqis must see, and believe, that they are doing so to restore self-rule and not to perpetuate oppression." Indeed, India will have legitimate questions about the command-and-control structure and would like a time-bound plan leading to an exit strategy -- precisely what the U.S. has sought from the U.N. in considering deploying troops in war-torn Liberia last week. But talk of "mercenaries" of an "American
    Empire" is polemical and rhetorical grandstanding.

    The great distraction in Indian foreign policy, Pakistan, is likely to cloud the debate further. The fact that Pakistan may send some 10,000 troops to Iraq will influence Indian thinking. Some would argue India should send more troops than Pakistan, taking the subcontinental rivalry to the Middle East. Others would like to spite the U.S. by refusing troops, because they believe India should not operate with Pakistan, however indirectly. Some nationalists are likely to oppose deployment because they believe the U.S. hasn't used its influence sufficiently to restrain Pakistan over militant incursions into Indian-controlled Kashmir. They feel frustrated that India can't act
    preemptively against Pakistan, the way the U.S. did against Iraq. By not sending troops, they believe, India would be "punishing" the U.S.

    Much of this is specious and a distraction that allows India to shirk from having to take a stand. Debate over the legality of the war belongs to the past.

    The Security Council's Resolution 1483, passed after Saddam's fall, explicitly authorizes the U.S. and the U.K. to administer Iraq temporarily. Indeed, it even calls upon member states, including India, "to assist the people of Iraq in their efforts to reform their institutions and rebuild their country, and to contribute to conditions of stability and security in accordance with this resolution." Satish Nambiar, a retired general who commanded UNPROFOR in the Balkans in 1992-1993, points out that the U.S. request is in line with the resolution -- the U. S. wants Indian help to stabilize Iraq -- and as such, "India's response needs to be free from rhetoric and moral posturing, and should be solely based on our national interests, ground realities and considerations of realpolitik," he wrote recently, in response to Mr. Jha's column, in the magazine, Outlook.

    India, after all, does send peacekeepers overseas. Indian troops have served with distinction under the U.N. flag in adverse conditions over vast stretches of often hostile territory. According to its ministry of defense, India currently provides the second-largest contingent of peacekeeping forces to the U.N., even though 90 Indian peacekeepers have died over the last 50 years.

    Soon, India is likely to send an air force deployment to the peacekeeping forces being assembled for the Democratic Republic of Congo. India has also responded to requests from neighbors.

    Indians have "won hearts and minds" as well: Indian troops have dug wells, constructed schools and mosques, run mobile dispensaries and relief camps.
    In Rwanda, they helped build refugee camps; in Angola, they built an airstrip and led the de-mining of an arterial road. Indian troops have policed in the Balkans and in Latin America.

    There may also be commercial spin-offs, although that should not be the primary consideration. Indian firms like Larsen & Toubro Ltd. and Hindustan Construction Co. Ltd. may win reconstruction contracts. But such firms are known for their efficiency and have a sound reputation in the Middle East, and may secure the contracts even if India does not send the troops. Those two issues are, and should remain, separate.

    The key issue, then, is how Indian troops will be perceived: as occupiers or peacekeepers. The naysayers fear that Indian troops could be attacked. Some 70 coalition troops (most of them American) have died since the fall of Baghdad.
    Potentially a battle of attrition, or a long-drawn guerrilla war, loomsahead. What if Indian troops have to perform house-to-house counter-insurgency operations, and lose the goodwill of Iraqis and destroy friendship with the Middle East?

    That is a serious question. But its answer lies in another question: How would Iraqi civilians perceive Indian troops, if they are helping create conditions that bring about a stable society with the rule of law, preventing lawless looters and arsonists from sabotaging Iraqi civilian life? India also needs to remember that the "excellent relations" it had with Iraq were with its government, represented by the Saddam regime. Some Iraqis may remember India as one of the countries that provided military training to Saddam's armed forces at one time. Given the discoveries of mass graves in Iraq, and the hatred for Saddam that many ordinary Iraqis have shown, would India really be demonstrating its goodwill for Iraqi civilians by not sending peacekeepers? Were Indian interests better represented when India was training the Iraqi army? Or would strategic interests be served by sending troops there and providing security for Iraqi civilians?

    India's participation with others may well reintroduce multilateralism, says Gen. Nambiar. India should send troops if it wants to play a role in geopolitics commensurate with its size, he says, adding: "If we do not participate, or dither . . . others will take our place, confining us to the sidelines." The nuclear tests of 1998 didn't help India get to the head table. But since the end of the Cold War and India's economic liberalization, Indo-U.S. cooperation in trade, investment and military matters has grown. Indian and American strategic interests are coinciding in several areas.

    Indeed, there are legitimate concerns that need to be addressed before
    India commits troops. But if they are met, then the decision should be easy. What's more, it would be in line with India's real interests.

    Mr. Tripathi is a writer based in London.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB105787450384750000
    Sir,

    Your take?
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    How We Nearly Sent Troops to Iraq


    By V Sudarshan

    Published: 29th June 2014 06:00 AM

    Last Updated: 29th June 2014 12:54 AM

    “Won’t speculate,” our Defence Minister Arun Jaitley tersely said in response to a question if we were going to send troops to Iraq. In the first place, the question was a no-brainer: send troops to Iraq to do what? An Entebbe-type operation to get 20,000 Indians stuck in various places in Iraq back safely to India? Yet, this mindless exchange brought back into focus attempts made by Americans to shanghai us into sending our troops to Iraq for stabilisation duties. The discussions with the Americans had begun even before US President George Bush declared from the USS Abraham Lincoln in May 2003, a couple of months after the invasion of Iraq had begun, that major combat operations were over, thereby effectively declaring victory. “In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.” He alleged that the battle had been fought for “liberty” and “peace of the world”. America and coalition allies were now engaged in “securing and reconstructing that country..”

    In reality, Iraq was far from being secured. All the Americans were doing were spreading chaos, anarchy and sharpening Iraq’s numerous fault lines. Even as Bush was declaring victory, his diplomats were talking to our diplomats and also making a political approach to coaxing India into sending at least a division of troops to Iraq for ‘stabilisation operations’. The numbers that were bandied were over 10,000, nearer 20,000 in fact. That would have made us the second largest armed contingent in a country that US had invaded. Only the defence ministry was willing, even keen. It was not our battle, despite UN resolution 1483 which exhorted member states to contribute to conditions of stability and security in Iraq. New Delhi felt that cover was less than what a fig leaf normally offers; it wasn’t much of a resolution. It is very difficult to say no to a super power: Delhi had kind of criticised the US-led invasion, stopping well short of outright condemnation, a gentle sort of admonition really. In exchange for sending troops, the US was suggesting that we would get a piece of the reconstruction pie, including hydrocarbons. You see, once you bomb a country, it has to be reconstructed, a business opportunity. There were many questions that swirled in the air. Who would pay for the troops? How long would Indian troops be required in Iraq? Would we have to shoot Iraqis? What would happen to our interests in the Gulf once we started killing Iraqis and calling it stabilisation? Would we have to report to Americans who were running the war?

    The Americans were saying the troops would be required to stay put for more than a year; and no, America wouldn’t pay. Some felt it would be better to deploy such a lot of troops to secure Kashmir better. The Americans said Indian troops could be stationed at Kurdish areas, such as Mosul. Such pressure was exerted, that it was clear that it was not possible to say an outright ‘no’ to the Americans. The Indians then wanted a UN mandate to send in the troops. Americans couldn’t furnish that, although they wanted the Indian troops to be in situ by July, latest August. Only when things went down to the wire did New Delhi take the all-party meet route and were able to say ‘no’.

    Sudarshan is the author of Anatomy of an Abduction: How the Indian Hostages in Iraq Were Freed

    Email: [email protected]
    How We Nearly Sent Troops to Iraq - The New Indian Express
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    • #3
      Should America Send Troops to Iraq?

      Mani Subramani • Published on September 30, 2014 Yes, America should look for lasting solutions

      Since we created it with our invasion in 2003, we are now ob-ligated to fix the deteriorating and perilous situation in Iraq that is threatening its sovereignty. The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), a terrorist group that is believed to be worse than Al-Qaeda, is taking over entire cities including the Iraq-Syria border. Most recently, ISIS drove tens of thousands of Yazidis, a minority group, up a mountain to starve without food or water, prompting the United States and other countries to consider sending relief supplies.

      President Obama responded to the worsening situation by ordering limited air drops of food and water while authorizing air strikes against ISIS, if necessary.

      In an ill-advised move, our President also declared that he will not send ground troops into Iraq to contain the situation. Many have rightly questioned if the Obama administration should have been more assertive in responding to the civil war in Syria and thus prevented the growth of ISIS into Iraq.

      The President’s own former Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford has pointedly said “Nothing we can point to that’s been successful,”referring to Obama’s ap-proach to the Syrian crisis.

      In a sign of partisan frus-tration, even the House Foreign Affairs leading Democrat Eliot Engel (D-NY) said, “I cannot help but wonder what would have happened if we had committed to empowering the moderate Syrian oppo-sition last year. Would ISIS have grown as it did?”

      Others have pointed out that Obama totally miscalculated when he decided not to leave any residual troops behind in 2011 to keep the peace in Iraq. James Steinberg, Obama’s former Deputy of Secretary of State expressed bewilderment saying “His [Obama’s] last news conference leaves you scratching your head. Yeah, we can’t do everything. But what matters to us?”

      It is time for President Obama to acknowledge that we have a serious problem in the Iraq-Syria region that can threaten the direct security interests of the United States.

      This President has summarized his foreign policy doctrine as “Don’t do stupid stuff,” which as Hillary Clinton said cannot be an “organizing principle for great nations.”

      The President needs to step up and realize that the United States has both a moral obligation and vital national security interest in lead-ing the charge to quickly assemble the support of the international community and yes, put boots on the ground in Iraq if needed to contain and eliminate ISIS and bring peace to this region. This is a solemn obligation of anyone who is elected to be the “leader of the free world.”

      Rameysh Ramdas, an S.F. Bay Area professional, writes as a hobby.





      No, America should not interfere

      Foreign policy is one of the more difficult aspects of a presidency to articulate and implement. Going to war with another na-tion or invading one is something that needs to be evaluated oreign policy is one of the more difficult aspects of a presidency to articulate and implement. Going to war with another na-tion or invading one is something that needs to be evaluated

      In the conflict at hand in Iraq the United States clearly is on the right ethical side in order to protect the Yazidis who are fleeing genocide at the hands of ISIS.

      To this end the administration has taken a number of steps. They have dropped relief supplies for the Yazidis stranded in the moun-tains. They have sent in a few hundred advisors to assess the security situation on the ground. They have armed the Kurds who have cap-tured back some territory from ISIS. In addition, through diplomatic pressure, they have unseated Prime Minister Al-Maliki. Al-Maliki’s non-inclusive government perhaps gave rise to discontent among the population and prevented the rise of a unified defense of the country against ISIS.

      Any other justification for additional in-volvement like ground invasion in Iraq is with-out merit. The United States is not responsible for Iraq’s integrity. While the ill-conceived invasion in 2003 was very costly to our country, it enabled Iraqis to attain democracy at a relatively minimal cost when compared with the struggles other nations have endured through history. How the people of Iraq govern themselves is not our business or concern. It is not for the United States or Britain to determine if Iraq is more stable as three, two or one country.

      Since the break-up of Yugoslavia into three separate states the region has become more stable. Who is to say this will not occur in Iraq. It is a mistake to argue retroactively for a residual troop presence in Iraq. This was in keeping with the agreement made with the Iraqi government by the previous administration.

      Alas, our military is tired desolate and war weary. According to a 2013 survey, 1 in 4 veteran families are dependent on food pantries for their daily food needs. This compares to 1 in 7 for the general population. Add to this the issues with the veterans administration and the fact that 30% of returning veterans suffer from Post Trau-matic Stress Syndrome. We can ill afford to subject our veterans to another war.

      No disrespect to McCain, Hillary, et al., but when it comes to our military let’s not talk about boots on the ground let’s instead focus on food on the table!

      Mani Subramani works in the semi-conductor industry in Silicon Valley.
      https://www.indiacurrents.com/articl...nd-troops-iraq
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      • #4
        Indian defence forces could join fight against ISIS soon

        India's announcement to send troops to the Middle East to fight against the tyranny of the Islamic State could be made during US president Barack Obama's Republic Day visit.

        Tehelka Web Desk
        January 14, 2015


        ISIS

        India has decided to join the fight against the Islamic State that has been reigning terror in the middle-east, sources privy to the information have disclosed to Tehelka. The decision was taken by the Modi government during the Vibrant Gujarat summit after talks with the US secretary of state John Kerry. Recent reports stated that John Kerry was all praise for PM Modi and quoted him as saying that he was “very impressed with Vibrant Gujarat summit”. Now it is clear what the real reason behind all this bonhomie is.

        PM Modi had said during the Vibrant Gujarat summit that all the countries in the world had to show that they were determined to fight terror in all forms while US Secretary of State had stated that the world had to take a pledge that no act of terror would make it give up freedom setting the tone for the big announcement to be made soon.

        Sources added that a formal announcement could be made during the US president Barack Obama’s Republic Day visit. The Narendra Modi government favors India’s participation in the peace mission in Iraq and Syria. It has been a long-pending demand of the US for Indian armed forces to participate in such international missions in the conflict areas of the Middle East.

        Incidentally, the UPA2 government had also mulled sending troops to Syria and Afghanistan but had wimped out fearing backlash from its Muslim voteabank. Hence the Congress-led government decided against sending Indian armed forces into these conflict areas. But with a new government at the helm and a new foreign policy, the pro-Nato stance conveys the change in the intent.
        Tehelka Exclusive: Indian defense forces could join fight against ISIS soon | Tehelka.com
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        • #5
          Hindsight is 20/20 but no, India should not have sent troops. It would have made no difference. We built up the Iraqi Army to be the toughest SOBs on the block and they still chickened out against ISIS. India could not have added anything more and would have lost troops in that cesspool.
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            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
            Hindsight is 20/20 but no, India should not have sent troops. It would have made no difference. We built up the Iraqi Army to be the toughest SOBs on the block and they still chickened out against ISIS. India could not have added anything more and would have lost troops in that cesspool.
            Sir,
            I don't understand. Why did Iraqi troops (I'm guessing they were trained by US forces) chicken out against ISIS? Is it planning and lack of experience in COIN ops?
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            • #7
              With ISIS sympathizers growing more and more in numbers in India, sending troops would only make the ones sleeping in slumber wake up and sneak in Syria to become jihadists. If I am not wrong India and the US agreed to share intel in such cases and dedicating more resources for that will probably help India rather than joining the fight directly. BUT as likely pointed out in the article posted by DCL sir will it hurt India's chances in a permanent seat in UN council ?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                Sir,
                I don't understand. Why did Iraqi troops (I'm guessing they were trained by US forces) chicken out against ISIS? Is it planning and lack of experience in COIN ops?
                Bad leadership. From the top guy sitting in Baghdad down to the platoon leaders.
                Chimo

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by commander View Post
                  BUT as likely pointed out in the article posted by DCL sir will it hurt India's chances in a permanent seat in UN council ?
                  That is still a priority? After all the crap about the backstabbing game that has been pointed out?
                  Chimo

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                    Hindsight is 20/20 but no, India should not have sent troops. It would have made no difference. We built up the Iraqi Army to be the toughest SOBs on the block and they still chickened out against ISIS. India could not have added anything more and would have lost troops in that cesspool.
                    Sir,

                    Casualties would invariably follow once you start shooting. Having said that, the IA wouldn't likely be the one to chickenout, if past experience is any indicator. The Iraqi Army, beyond all the training you have imparted is a bunch of Jokers. Same with the AnA. In our case, it would all boil down to the grit of the political leadership and its appetite to receive body bags from a theatre afar.

                    However, that's not what I am looking out for. I wanted your take from the West's or rather the American perspective. Why do they want the IA in? What are they seeing that I am not being able to see? Who do they thought would foot the bill? What would be the force combination? What's would be the strength? How long and what would be the OPOBJ?
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                    • #11
                      Two more points.

                      The ISIS is killing not fighting a war. They just don't know how to fight a war.

                      The Iraqi Army is plain incompetent. Neither willing, nor learning. The Kurds are doing a far better job.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Deltacamelately View Post
                        However, that's not what I am looking out for. I wanted your take from the West's or rather the American perspective. Why do they want the IA in?
                        Their army has just fought two wars and now are occupying two countries. Simple math tells them that they can't do the Third on-Third off-Third training route. They needed help and needed help big time and they took it wherever they can get it, even at company strength.

                        Originally posted by Deltacamelately View Post
                        Who do they thought would foot the bill?
                        The InA. The US will pay India back with something else later on with something else but at that moment, the US military had no budget to pay anyone

                        Originally posted by Deltacamelately View Post
                        What would be the force combination? What's would be the strength? How long and what would be the OPOBJ?
                        It would have been a repeat of Somalia. Stabilize the country against local warlords.
                        Chimo

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                          Bad leadership. From the top guy sitting in Baghdad down to the platoon leaders.
                          Sir, excluding the dismal Iraqi political leadership...why did the Iraqi military leadership fail on the battlefield?
                          What did the coalition do so horribly wrong in their training of the Iraqi Army that caused them to suddenly fold like a house of cards against DAESH?
                          “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                          • #14
                            Bad Officer Training and Sergeants being stripped of their powers. There was zero leadership at every level. Leaders are supposed to instill confidence that their cause is just and their capabilities effective. When your own leaders run away in face of an inferior foe just because they believed the propaganda, people below you tend to run also.
                            Chimo

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                            • #15
                              joe,

                              What did the coalition do so horribly wrong in their training of the Iraqi Army that caused them to suddenly fold like a house of cards against DAESH?
                              it wasn't an issue of coalition training. prior to that sh*t of a Maliki, the Iraqi Army was doing quite well on the battlefield.

                              Maliki then proceeded to fire off most of the trained senior leadership corps and replace them with his own cronies, whom in turn did the same thing. didn't do anything about absenteeism and ghost soldiers on the payroll.

                              he pretty much screwed over most of the iraqi army and put most of the monies into picked units of the special forces, which officially became his unaccountable Royal Guard unit. he also depended on a network of shi'a militias, which took over the bulk of the fighting after the initial collapse of the iraqi army.
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