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Originally posted by astralis View Postback to the topic, Marco Rubio is going batsh*t crazy over this, and finding out to his dismay that sanctions on Cuba aren't as politically popular as it used to be.
Obviously it will improve relations with the region and will have economic benefits. I suspect that this is one of those things where, once it is over, people will be amazed that anyone cared.sigpic
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Originally posted by Bigfella View PostHow do you see the domestic politics of this? Are the Dems making a play for younger Cubans who are already leaning Dem? Do they think they can use it to make the GOP look isolated & out of touch? Will the optics of this help the Dems shore up the Hispanic vote, or is there unlikely to be an impact there? Will there be a side benefit in making Rubio look more like a loon?
Obviously it will improve relations with the region and will have economic benefits. I suspect that this is one of those things where, once it is over, people will be amazed that anyone cared.
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Originally posted by Monash View PostI believe it would be a serious error of judgement to class China as an enemy at this point in history, a competitor yes but not necessarily as an enemy. This is because at the moment, here an now, this is not what they actually are. An enemy is usually defined something along the lines of someone feels hatred toward, intends injury to, or opposes another. Do the US and China hate each other? - one hopes not. Do they fear/distrust each other on certain issues - probably yes. However unless the default position of the US is that all serioius competitors for global economic influence and power must by default be enemies .
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Originally posted by zraver View PostWhen it comes to challenging our sea power- actively looking for ways to do so then yes they are enemies.Last edited by Monash; 19 Dec 14,, 23:23.If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.
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ultimately it can be boiled down to a phrase: china doesn't want to fight us, it wants to BE us.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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How do you see the domestic politics of this? Are the Dems making a play for younger Cubans who are already leaning Dem? Do they think they can use it to make the GOP look isolated & out of touch? Will the optics of this help the Dems shore up the Hispanic vote, or is there unlikely to be an impact there? Will there be a side benefit in making Rubio look more like a loon?
i find the political bloviating about how this will be a boost for Hillary Clinton to be exaggerated. it's a nice touch but this isn't something that will bring out the voters.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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Rubio is already having to walk back some of his comments. His comments about not approving an ambassador and funding an embassy are being nuanced.
Perhaps McConnell told him to calm it down.
While the the folks and descendants of the folks who came here in 1959-1961 are hardlined and bitter, the folks he came here since about 1970 onward are strongly pro this move.“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
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Originally posted by Albany Rifles View PostRubio is already having to walk back some of his comments. His comments about not approving an ambassador and funding an embassy are being nuanced.
Perhaps McConnell told him to calm it down.
While the the folks and descendants of the folks who came here in 1959-1961 are hardlined and bitter, the folks he came here since about 1970 onward are strongly pro this move.
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Bigfella,
Politically, it's a risky move. The Dems won Florida in 2012 by less than a % point, but are slowly building momentmum. Taking any chance to piss off the Cuban community, with that small a margin, is a huge risk when we're talking about 27 electroal votes.
I don't think Obama undertook this to increase Democrat political standing. Presidents in their second term are generally more concerned about legacy building. A lot of the, erm, progressive left, which we all know Obama is part of even if he pretends he isn't, really finds the Cuba embargo obnoxious. They are the most engaged about the issue, except for the old Cuban emigres.
Anyways, the embargo on Cuba is a Cold War leftover, but the real oddity isn't that it still exists, but that it was getting STRONGER. Since the Cold War ended, we have imposed MORE sanctions on Cuba, even listing it as a State Sponsor of terror. This obviously is a dumb, politically-motivated move.Last edited by GVChamp; 19 Dec 14,, 17:54."The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck
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Originally posted by bonehead View PostMy have things changed. In the Pacific we are now allies with Japan and the enemy is China.Originally posted by zraver View PostFighting and dying next to Germans in A-stan.... The biggest killer of Americans in combat in the last 100 years.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by Albany Rifles View PostRubio is already having to walk back some of his comments. His comments about not approving an ambassador and funding an embassy are being nuanced.
Perhaps McConnell told him to calm it down.
While the the folks and descendants of the folks who came here in 1959-1961 are hardlined and bitter, the folks he came here since about 1970 onward are strongly pro this move.
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