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    Quote Originally Posted by barangai View Post
    COAS Raheel Sharif has left for Afghanistan.

    Well now its all upto Dr Ashraf Ghani govt,either he will have to be sincere and give up NDS activities or admit that he has no hold over NDS activities.

    Together we can defeat the talibs on either side of the border,and Dr Ashraf Ghani is honest but is Abdullah x2 also?will they have control over the NDS activities?is a big question
    There is no point pointing fingers at Afghanistan when the PA is using the Taliban as proxies against them.
    Just a few days ago Gen Musharraf threatened a proxy war in Afghanistan.

    Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontree View Post
    There is no point pointing fingers at Afghanistan when the PA is using the Taliban as proxies against them.
    Just a few days ago Gen Musharraf threatened a proxy war in Afghanistan.
    Musharaf is not only in the govt but also under treason trial.So today,his words perhaps matter not more than the words of Zaid hamid

    NDS is not under the Afghanistan govt but now run by Tajik lords,they report to the govt but govt has no control over its activities.It is no secret that NDS aided Latif Mehsud until he was captured by ISAF.They are still giving space to Fazlullah and Omar Khorsani.Fazlullah has recently escaped a drone strikes inside afghanistan territory by CIA.

    The Present Govt is not only sincere,and we are looking forward for good relations

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    ISLAMABAD: Army chief General Raheel Sharif rushed to Kabul on Wednesday to deliver a warning to Afghan authorities to take decisive action against sanctuaries of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) or else Pakistan would go for ‘hot pursuit.’

    General Raheel is traveling to the Afghan capital after security agencies found evidence that the Peshawar attack, which killed 141 people, including 132 children, was planned inside Afghanistan by the Mullah Fazlullah group.
    http://tribune.com.pk/story/808187/h...to-tell-kabul/

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    So rather than clean up its own house, Pakistan is looking for an external scapegoat again.... the kids died in vain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barangai View Post
    COAS Raheel Sharif has left for Afghanistan.

    Well now its all upto Dr Ashraf Ghani govt,either he will have to be sincere and give up NDS activities or admit that he has no hold over NDS activities.

    Together we can defeat the talibs on either side of the border,and Dr Ashraf Ghani is honest but is Abdullah x2 also?will they have control over the NDS activities?is a big question
    So you have already decided that this was all masterminded by the NDS? Probably the Indian hand is also lurking behind?

    I can see Raheel Sharif asking for cooperation but this instant fault assi

    For heaven's sake, 132 kids are dead and a group of bastards have claimed responsibility. Is it not important to go after them rather than searching for the foreign hand?
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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    Nothing sort of this,Afghanistan helped is required to eliminate the leadership of TTP in Afghanistan while at home we are expanding the operation.

    Leadership is everything,otherwise until now we already have killed more than 29k militants in the past decade but a single blow of leadership result in significant reduction in terrorist activities

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    Comm intercepts of the calls were tracked to Afghanistan & Kabul. We had 2 ELINT planes in the air alongside a 3CI configured Herc in the air during the op yesterday. We have also apprehended NDS agents in NWA over the past few months. Their is no finger pointing. The forces are going after all Taliban (as of today the distinction is moot officially) & we have locations of TTP camps in Kunar, Nooristan etc & who facilitates whom where & we've told Afghanistan we will act on our side & give you the information needed to act at your end. The President Mr Ghani has assured full cooperation of his govt & forces to Gen Raheel. This is straight from a brigadier level officer in our JSHQ who I have no reason to doubt & current as of this evening. We are angry, very angry & we mean business!

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    Leadership is what matters the most,we already have killed more than 29k militants and sacrified thousand of soldiers.But as long as the leaders are alive and keep on planning,we will be short of our mission

    Fazlullah is the worst of all,he's the only non pashtun leader of TTP so far,basically a gujjar but still the media outlets believe him to be Yousufzai

    PESHAWAR: The chief of the outlawed Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) has escaped a US drone strike in Afghanistan’s Nangarhar province close to the border with Pakistan, officials said Tuesday.

    Highly placed intelligence sources had told Dawn.com that the unmanned aircraft fired four missiles on a compound in Nazyan village in southeastern Afghanistan Monday night, killing at least five Pakistani and Afghan militants near the Pak-Afghan border.

    Sources said intelligence reports suggested Mullah Fazllulah had been in the area near the zero-line for over a day. The strike was aimed at targeting the militant chief but he narrowly escaped, they said.
    Mullah Fazlullah escapes drone strike near Pak-Afghan border: sources - Home - DAWN.COM

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    Quote Originally Posted by barangai View Post
    Nothing sort of this,Afghanistan helped is required to eliminate the leadership of TTP in Afghanistan while at home we are expanding the operation.

    Leadership is everything,otherwise until now we already have killed more than 29k militants in the past decade but a single blow of leadership result in significant reduction in terrorist activities
    Quote Originally Posted by barangai View Post
    Nothing sort of this,Afghanistan helped is required to eliminate the leadership of TTP in Afghanistan while at home we are expanding the operation.

    Leadership is everything,otherwise until now we already have killed more than 29k militants in the past decade but a single blow of leadership result in significant reduction in terrorist activities
    Is this going to be reduction of all terrorist activities or those of the "bad terrorists"

    I have been going through Pakistani media throughout yesterday. Here is a snippet from one of the talk shows "Live with Shahid Masood". Dr. Shahis Massod is one of the higher profile talk show hosts in Pakistan and would probably be termed as "quasi liberal" compared to others.



    For those who do not understand Urdu, this is what happens. The anchor equates the barbarism yesterday with everyday murders in Karachi, rails against something/ someone called "liberal fascists" (as I understood, those who decry religious extremism). then he brings in as a guest the (in)famous Hamid Gul, who stresses the importance of a "war about ideas" and the need to understand why the Taliban killed little children (because their own children were killed in drone attacks). Oh, and at around the 13:50 mark, he says this in English - "Khorasani, he is a proper India Agent" (but of course).

    If this is the introspection that Pakistan is going to do, instead of hauling up those who support and abait any kind of terrorist (good or bad), then I am sorry to say we will see more of this sort of sickening things in Pakistan.

    And that would be horrible, since innocent civilians, especially children, are not just Pakistanis, they are south Asians and human beings at the end.
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    So rather than clean up its own house, Pakistan is looking for an external scapegoat again.... the kids died in vain.
    I've been noticing the same thing. Many Pakistanis seem desperate to find a conspiracy and external force behind this carnage even though the source of all this is right under their own noses.

    I posted this article in a thread of its own last month: BBC News - The school that says Osama Bin Laden was a hero

    Pakistanis should read it carefully and let the truth sink in. There are thousands of such 'schools' in their country that have been churning out this peculiarly "Pakistani" vision of jihad for decades now.

    How can any responsible country allow a terror center like the "red mosque" seminary, which once had to be put down by force by the army, be allowed to re-open itself again and resume business as usual as if nothing had ever happened there? And this in their capital city no less.

    For a start, why dont they close that f*cking 'school' down for good, and all others like it?

    What good is a military assault on tribal villages when future terrorists are being groomed in seminaries all over their country, including their capital city?

    I have to concur with zraver, these kids sadly died in vain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    Is this going to be reduction of all terrorist activities or those of the "bad terrorists"

    I have been going through Pakistani media throughout yesterday. Here is a snippet from one of the talk shows "Live with Shahid Masood". Dr. Shahis Massod is one of the higher profile talk show hosts in Pakistan and would probably be termed as "quasi liberal" compared to others.



    For those who do not understand Urdu, this is what happens. The anchor equates the barbarism yesterday with everyday murders in Karachi, rails against something/ someone called "liberal fascists" (as I understood, those who decry religious extremism). then he brings in as a guest the (in)famous Hamid Gul, who stresses the importance of a "war about ideas" and the need to understand why the Taliban killed little children (because their own children were killed in drone attacks). Oh, and at around the 13:50 mark, he says this in English - "Khorasani, he is a proper India Agent" (but of course).

    If this is the introspection that Pakistan is going to do, instead of hauling up those who support and abait any kind of terrorist (good or bad), then I am sorry to say we will see more of this sort of sickening things in Pakistan.

    And that would be horrible, since innocent civilians, especially children, are not just Pakistanis, they are south Asians and human beings at the end.
    First of all,they are not part of the govt.We do know we have a completely different COAS this time.He's least influenced by Zia Era Islamism.

    I have followed Zarbeazb way too closely,recently in Pakistani airstrikes Haqqani Group members and hafiz Gul bahadur group members were targeted.

    PESHAWAR: Airstrikes have killed at least 30 militants, including “important commanders” of a local warlord, in North Waziristan where the military launched a major offensive this year, officials and militant sources said Monday.
    The target of the late Sunday strikes, in the Datta Khel area of North Waziristan, were local warlords Hafiz Gul Bahadur and his ally Sadiq Noor, security officials said.
    Both are aligned with the feared Haqqani network and are accused of sending fighters and suicide bombers against US and Nato troops in neighbouring Afghanistan.
    “At least 30 militants have been killed. Dozens of fighters and commanders were gathered for a joint meeting of both the groups,” a militant source told AFP.
    An intelligence official in the area confirmed the strikes and the death toll.
    http://tribune.com.pk/story/803516/k...an-airstrikes/

    Anyway,Hamid Mir reply to indian anchor




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    Quote Originally Posted by 1980s View Post
    I've been noticing the same thing. Many Pakistanis seem desperate to find a conspiracy and external force behind this carnage even though the source of all this is right under their own noses.

    I posted this article in a thread of its own last month: BBC News - The school that says Osama Bin Laden was a hero

    Pakistanis should read it carefully and let the truth sink in. There are thousands of such 'schools' in their country that have been churning out this peculiarly "Pakistani" vision of jihad for decades now.

    How can any responsible country allow a terror center like the "red mosque" seminary, which once had to be put down by force by the army, be allowed to re-open itself again and resume business as usual as if nothing had ever happened there? And this in their capital city no less.

    For a start, why dont they close that f*cking 'school' down for good, and all others like it?

    What good is a military assault on tribal villages when future terrorists are being groomed in seminaries all over their country, including their capital city?

    I have to concur with zraver, these kids sadly died in vain.
    I agree about this part,but it is a gradual process.ultimate goal should be either complete banning of Madrassah's or allowing only registered madrassah's with registered students

    Sadly Maulana Abdul Aziz is still alive and was yesterday again spreading his BS of them being not taliban and all this stupid stuff.Musharaf should had killed him from the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barangai View Post
    First of all,they are not part of the govt.We do know we have a completely different COAS this time.He's least influenced by Zia Era Islamism.

    I have followed Zarbeazb way too closely,recently in Pakistani airstrikes Haqqani Group members and hafiz Gul bahadur group members were targeted.
    So they are going to stop distinguishing between good and bad taliban. Will they also stop the distinguishing between good and bad terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by barangai View Post
    http://tribune.com.pk/story/803516/k...an-airstrikes/

    Anyway,Hamid Mir reply to indian anchor



    At 1:40, Hamid Mir says that it has ben printed in the newspapers that the Khorasani group gets money from India. Right, continue that obsession and see where it leads you.
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    So they are going to stop distinguishing between good and bad taliban. Will they also stop the distinguishing between good and bad terrorists?



    At 1:40, Hamid Mir says that it has ben printed in the newspapers that the Khorasani group gets money from India. Right, continue that obsession and see where it leads you.
    Well sir,you must have to understand this,We as the citizen of Pakistan-India are indeed close.But we must admit that both countries today are into proxy war including in Afghanistan.

    I don't like this blame game and i also believe in action within our own house.As i believe as long as we don't accept the fact that the problem is within us,we won't overcome terrorism.

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    Firstly, my heartfelt condolences to the families of the victims of this horrific atrocity. May they have the strength to endure their loss.


    Quote Originally Posted by barangai View Post
    Army chief shares intelligence on terrorists with Kabul – The Express Tribune

    "ISLAMABAD: Army chief General Raheel Sharif rushed to Kabul on Wednesday to deliver a warning to Afghan authorities to take decisive action against sanctuaries of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) or else Pakistan would go for ‘hot pursuit.’"

    "COAS Raheel Sharif has left for Afghanistan.

    Well now its all upto Dr Ashraf Ghani govt,either he will have to be sincere and give up NDS activities or admit that he has no hold over NDS activities."
    Pakistan should resist from making such incendiary statements. Such statements only worsen the security situation in the region. They should merely present any evidence they have of specific individuals inside Afghanistan who were involved in this attack. After that the Afghan authorities will arrest and prosecute them if the evidence is good. Let the law then take its course. Any such individuals, if present are non-state actors and the Afghan govt. and NDS aren't responsible for any of them.

    Before you accuse Afghanistan or Afghans of aiding terrorists please realize that Afghanistan itself is a victim of terror for several years and is a frontline ally in the war on terror.

    Instead, Pakistan should focus on solving the underlying problems of the Tribal areas needing more autonomy and solving the issue of the Durand line with Afghanistan, along with poverty, illetracy etc. which lead to these kinds of attacks.
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