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  • The smell of apartheid in Israel

    Palestinian workers cleared by shin bet and already subjected to body scans, and a years upon years free of any documented worker being involved in terror has even the military sayign no threat here, but Jews don't like to ride on busses full of Arabs...

    Ya'alon bans Palestinians from Israeli-run bus lines in West Bank, following settler pressure - NationalIsrael News - Haaretz Israeli News source

    By Chaim Levinson
    Published 10:21 26.10.14
    Following intense pressure from settlers, Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon has issued a directive that bans Palestinian workers from traveling on Israeli-run public transportation in the West Bank.

    The decision contradicts the stance of the Israel Defense Forces, which does not view the presence of Palestinians on West Bank buses as a security threat.

    The new guidelines prohibit Palestinian workers from using buses that run directly from central Israel to the West Bank; instead they will have to arrive at the Eyal Crossing, near Qalqilyah and far from populated settler areas, and continue to their final destination from there.

    The Samaria Settlers' Committee and local Jewish authorities have conducted an aggressive campaign in recent years aimed at banning Palestinian workers from public transportation used by Israelis in the West Bank.

    Currently, Palestinian laborers who work in central Israel can enter only through the Eyal Crossing, where they undergo security checks and swipe a biometric I.D. card before continuing to their workplace.

    The workers are not allowed to sleep in Israel, however they can return to the West Bank through various crossings. Hundreds of Palestinians who live in the central West Bank prefer to return on buses that run from Tel Aviv or Petah Tikva along the "trans-Samaria" road through the settlement of Ariel and on to their villages.

    The settlers have tried on multiple occasions to prevent the Palestinians from commuting on those buses, and have released a video calling for them to be banned.

    Ya'alon recently met with settler leaders and told them he has decided to change the current policy so that Palestinian laborers will have to return to the West Bank only through the Eyal Crossing.

    The directive is scheduled to go into effect next month. Until then, the Civil Administration has been instructed to prepare for the change by informing Palestinian workers and offering them alternate transportation.

    The GOC Central Command Maj. Gen. Nitzan Alon does not consider the Palestinian workers entering Israel to be a security threat, as they must obtain pre-approval from the Shin Bet security service and Israel Police in order to receive permits. They then undergo body checks at the border crossings. Alon also noted that terror attacks inside Israel, like the murder of soldier Eden Attias, were carried out by those without permits, not by authorized workers.

    MK Moti Yogev, of the pro-settler Habayit Hayehudi party, criticized the current policy after riding on one such bus. “Riding these buses is unreasonable. They are full of Arabs," he said.

  • #2
    I say this as a friend of Israel, it becomes increasingly difficult to defend the actions of the Israeli state.

    Z,

    How long do you think you will go without the criticism of choosing a "left liberal" source comes rolling in?
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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    • #3
      The question is,so what?Their country,their laws.
      Those who know don't speak
      He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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      • #4
        End of the day... But left or right leaning the facts are what they are. The IDF says no threat here move along but government ministers eager to appease the right cave in to racist pressures. This is also coming on top of new settlement construction, racist jewiszation of Jerusalem's Arab neighborhoods, tension at the Al Asqua Mosque, both sides playing demolition derby with the others kids and officials in the US government finally openly admitting that Bibi isn't in for peace and is a chickenshit when it comes to standing up to the Israeli right.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mihais View Post
          The question is,so what?Their country,their laws.
          Agreed. And I can't say that the Palestinians have exactly been the greatest of neighbors.

          Israel now requires security checks and ID's of Palestinians?

          Palestine has made it a longstanding practice to indiscriminately lob mortar rounds and rockets at Israel.

          Cause and effect anyone?
          “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mihais View Post
            The question is,so what?Their country,their laws.
            So then should EU countries including the UK be free to deport Romanian workers? Your own countrymen are engaging in something similar to the Palestinian workers.

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            • #7
              TH,that and the fact that Israel&Palestine are a fight without a stake the rest of mankind.Who's guilty for what is a debate that has been turned on all sides for decades,without anything good coming of it.
              Last edited by Mihais; 01 Nov 14,, 20:04.
              Those who know don't speak
              He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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              • #8
                Originally posted by zraver View Post
                So then should EU countries including the UK be free to deport Romanian workers? Your own countrymen are engaging in something similar to the Palestinian workers.
                Are you playing ignorance?

                1.I'll have no problem with EU gone and whatever independent country enforcing whatever laws it chooses.
                2.The status of EU citizens is a bit different than that of the Pals.In the sense they have every legal right,as it is right now to be there.
                3.I'd actually be glad if our workers are forced to return home.
                Those who know don't speak
                He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                  Agreed. And I can't say that the Palestinians have exactly been the greatest of neighbors.

                  Israel now requires security checks and ID's of Palestinians?

                  Palestine has made it a longstanding practice to indiscriminately lob mortar rounds and rockets at Israel.

                  Cause and effect anyone?
                  These workers have been cleared by shin bet, have worked in Israel for years without incident. It would be like imposing specal restrictions on Indian IT workers in the US because of Pakistani terrorists.

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                  • #10
                    The point you miss is that they have every right to decide whom they like and who they don't.To you this looks like horrible discrimination.To me,this is their freedom to do as they please in their country.They may be safe Pals,they may be the most decent folks on Earth.The Israelis still have the right to dislike them for the most subjective and arbitrary of reasons.You are also free on my part to discriminate against Israelis in your neck of woods,if it makes you feel better.Your property,your rules.
                    Those who know don't speak
                    He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mihais View Post
                      The point you miss is that they have every right to decide whom they like and who they don't.To you this looks like horrible discrimination.To me,this is their freedom to do as they please in their country.They may be safe Pals,they may be the most decent folks on Earth.The Israelis still have the right to dislike them for the most subjective and arbitrary of reasons.You are also free on my part to discriminate against Israelis in your neck of woods,if it makes you feel better.Your property,your rules.
                      Israel is not free to do so, she is party to an international treaty outlawing racism.

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                      • #12
                        You're only digging your hole deeper.Race doesn't exist,so they say.Besides,Jews and Arabs are of the same semitic stock.Whatever it is,it's not racism.
                        Those who know don't speak
                        He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                        • #13
                          Your reply makes no sense, if the policy is targeted at one group specifically on the basis of race its racism.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by zraver View Post
                            These workers have been cleared by shin bet, have worked in Israel for years without incident. It would be like imposing specal restrictions on Indian IT workers in the US because of Pakistani terrorists.
                            One critical issue: they are technically still in a state of war, depending on who you ask.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by zraver View Post
                              Your reply makes no sense, if the policy is targeted at one group specifically on the basis of race its racism.
                              They're not of different races.
                              Those who know don't speak
                              He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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