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Originally posted by lemontree View PostOh come on mate, no one has exhibited any traits of Islamophobia here.
All they have done is call a terrorist a terrorist.
One community. Not all terrorists.
Was not the one advocating extrajudicial killings by the state machinery here.
I usually call a spade a spade. And here I was careful to give the benefit of the doubt. If warranted .....
You've railed against your innocent countryment been killed for the tragedy of communal association before. Lets see some consistency.Last edited by sated buddha; 26 Sep 14,, 12:07.
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Originally posted by Oracle View PostThere probably would be no ISIS or the support it garnered, had there been no Anjem Chaudhary to begin with. I probably am biased since I grew up amongst militancy.
Communal unrest of the highest order. Going beyond the LTT.
A minority is threatened and has to take on the state to survive. The call for volunteers goes out and is heard worldwide leaving all of us to deal with the aftermath in our own lands.
Originally posted by tankie View PostAnd not before time
Police said the arrests were not in response to any immediate threat but that the men were held on suspicion of encouraging terrorism and belonging to and supporting a banned organisation.
"These arrests and searches are part of an ongoing investigation into Islamist-related terrorism," police said in a statement.
The BBC and Sky News reported that one of the men held was Anjem Choudary, the former head of the now banned organisation al-Muhajiroun. It gained notoriety for staging events to commemorate the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States with leaflets that referred to the hijackers as "the Magnificent 19".
Police declined to confirm if Choudary, who has recently spoken out against the West's intervention against Islamic State, had been held or to give further details. There was no answer from his mobile phone when contacted by Reuters.
The men, aged between 22 and 51, were in custody at police stations in central London while 19 properties across the capital and in Stoke-on-Trent in central England were being searched.
Choudary's followers have been linked to a number of militant plots in the past, and one of the men who hacked a British soldier to death on a London street in May last year had attended demonstrations the preacher had organised.
Choudary has never been charged with any terrorism-related crimes.
In 2011 his home and a community centre in east London where he used to teach were raided by counter-terrorism police. He told Reuters at the time that he had done nothing illegal.
"The definition of terrorism is more suitable for the US/UK policy in Muslim lands than those who are removing their oppressive regimes," Choudary said in a tweet he wrote hours before the police arrests.
"The war being waged by the US/UK & co is a war against Islam & Muslims. The objective is to take Muslims away from the Shari'ah (Islamic law)"Last edited by Double Edge; 26 Sep 14,, 13:11.
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Originally posted by Doktor View PostNot police and (still) not at home.
and these are the same people who would have supported a hit on Dawoood Ibrahim."Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus
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Originally posted by tankie View PostChoudary has been released , more info to follow .
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Originally posted by tankie View PostChoudary has been released , more info to follow .
Do you think that ghettoisation of Muslims somehow makes his job easier?"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus
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Originally posted by antimony View PostIs it surprising? As far as I know, being a moron is not a crime
Do you think that ghettoisation of Muslims somehow makes his job easier?
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostThere would be no ISIS if 190k Syrians did not die by Assad and misgovernance by Maliki. It's not like the world did not want to do anything about it, they just could not stop it.
Communal unrest of the highest order. Going beyond the LTT.
A minority is threatened and has to take on the state to survive. The call for volunteers goes out and is heard worldwide leaving all of us to deal with the aftermath in our own lands.
And the minority threatened with misgovernance in Iraq has a nice way of responding - kill the other minorities in the area they dominate , rape women and sell them as slaves. ISIS fighters are mostly locals is what we are told. You are doing a disservice here by propagating the false-victimhood that the wahhabi financiers from Saudi Arabia and other wealthy Arab states use to brainwash the recruits.Last edited by Firestorm; 26 Sep 14,, 23:00.
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Originally posted by Firestorm View PostFrankly that is BS. Assad did not kill all those 190k people. That is the UN estimate for the entire death toll till now, which includes combatants from both sides in addition to civilians. It's a frickin civil war. You make it sound like Assad massacred 190k peaceful protesters. Assad may be a power-hungry dictator, but lets not go overboard here.
And the minority threatened with misgovernance in Iraq has a nice way of responding - kill the other minorities in the area they dominate , rape women and sell them as slaves. ISIS fighters are mostly locals is what we are told. You are doing a disservice here by propagating the false-victimhood that the wahhabi financiers from Saudi Arabia and other wealthy Arab states use to brainwash the recruits.
95% of IS funding is from oil, ransoms, and taxes (extortion). Furthermore, majority of foriegn IS fighters are entering from Turkey. The insinuations are just too far, and do nothing to understand what IS really is. There are estimates that IS will have $100-200million SURPLUS (some even say higher, WAY HIGHER) this year...if the independent gulf financiers cut off IS, it wouldn't even make a difference, not now anyway.
To me, this absurd income is what scares me the most about IS, hence, why I follow it closely."We are all special cases." - Camus
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