India by-elections: Setback for ruling BJP

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Don't you love some catfighting?

Alliance with Shiv Sena not at cost of self-respect, says BJP president Amit Shah | The Indian Express

With no clarity yet on seat sharing with old ally Shiv Sena, BJP president Amit Shah on Thursday told the alliance partner to find a quick resolution to the impasse while making it clear that there will be no compromise at the cost of self-respect.

“I want to appeal to both the parties: BJP has taken two steps ahead, the other people (read Sena) should also move two steps forward and resolve the alliance issue and begin the movement for transformation of Maharashtra,” Shah said. “But the BJP worker wants resolution (to the alliance seat sharing tangle) with self-respect. There cannot be resolution at the cost of self-respect,” he said.

Tee hee

Maharashtra assembly polls: BJP gives ultimatum to Shiv Sena over seat-sharing - The Times of India

Setting itself on a confrontation path with its oldest ally, BJP on Thursday gave Shiv Sena an ultimatum to agree on a seat-sharing formula for the coming assembly elections or face a break-up of the alliance.

I know these two will kiss and make up, but it is hilarious while it lasts

[Double Edge]

I am wondering if this is because of the fact that the Modi-wave and Modi agenda was not present this time around, and instead divisive communal politics and stupid tag lines like Love Jihad came in play.

BJP got complacent.

divisive politics does not work everywhere only in some places and at certain times. Does not stop the SP from engaging in it either.

We'll have to wait longer to get a better idea.

These recent results are due to non-participation of the youth.

Possible, its not a major election so they were not targeted as much.

No matter the reasons given, the fact is BJP lost and they have to focus on development. People expected Modi to be the magician to make things magically happen the next day he becomes PM hence they lost seats in other BJP strongholds too like Gujarat and Rajasthan.

The ones in Gujarat were congress strongholds. The one in Rajasthan reflects on the CM as she chose the candidate to run there.

As much as these by polls don't make any impact it is a reminder of what might be around the corner. So Modi should wisen up and make sure he controls people like Yogi Adithyanath, Shakshi Maharaj. Same goes for SP who has the likes of Azam Khan etc. India is in a interesting time at the moment.

They use people who they think can win, this won't change. What we must avoid concluding and generalising is BJP will be using these adityanaths and assorted characters every where. Clearly, that will not work. States like UP, Assam & Gujarat have their polarised areas and these people will be used there. Luck of the draw.

I would call this being the important 10 years after independence. It will shape our country's future for the next 5 or so decades. Whether India wants to move along the lines of development cutting through caste and creed or stay bogged down by the divisive politics played by all the parties.

It will be with us for some time more, as we've not yet coalesced around ideas yet. So identity rules.

[Oracle]

Across UP, an invasion by Hindutva’s foot soldiers

[anil]

Not everything is about hindus, hindutva, BJP or the RSS

[antimony]

Not everything is about hindus, hindutva, BJP or the RSS

You are right, the prices of onions and level of rain during the monsoon, for example. Oracle, example - pure Hindutva bullshit

[anil]

Does an "outsider looking in" view hold any value?

[antimony]

Does an "outsider looking in" view hold any value?

Who is the outsider?

[Double Edge]

Across UP, an invasion by Hindutva’s foot soldiers

Remains to be seen what the impact will be. Is this something new or has it been tried elsewhere and ran out of steam after a while. The rhetoric has been around for a while but what are the results to date. Keeps areas polarised. Fishing in troubled waters.

[Oracle]

Want to give a translation for that?

You really think he'd have done that. You should have reported it. I did, just now.

[anil]

It means a pansy troll

[Oracle]

It means a trolling pansy

I have provided the translation to the Staff. No need for you to take trouble. You have been using Hindi expletives quite frequently when you've got no arguments. And even after the staff made it clear that languages used other than English, has to be succeeded by an English translation, you don't seem to care. Sorry, your upbringing doesn't match mine, so I reported it. I respect the staff here, and I'll go by what they decide.

[anil]

You're a troll trolling against other dumb ass trolls on this forum, have no respect for elders whatsoever.

[TopHatter]

Kacharibad main gandu tho WAB mai bhi gandu?

TH, not worth it.

If it's not worth it then why did you post it in the first place? And I asked you politely once already to stop posting in languages other than English unless you're going to provide a translation. You won't be asked again.

You're a troll trolling against other dumb ass trolls on this forum, have no respect for elders whatsoever.

If you're referring to Oracle, you're wrong. If you feel somebody is trolling on the WAB than please use the Report Post function.

[anil]

[COLOR="#008000"][B]If you're referring to Oracle, you're wrong.

Yes I'm referring to oracle. He's a class A troll, the better half of the pro-right wing members here flaming each other with pages after pages of nonsense which no one reads.

Kacharibad is an imaginary native place for Bodo-Kachari people, a mongoloid group of people living in assam. Recently, the community has started migrating to indian metros where they live in isolation akin to ghetto communities. Indian politics is a non-subject.

[Double Edge]

The only thing shocking i find is the SP victory over seats held by the BJP in UP. How did that happen.

Shocking bypoll reversals put BJP leaders on the backfoot | DH | Sept 24 2014

Shocking bypoll reversals put BJP leaders on the backfoot
Dalip Singh, Sep 24, 2014 :

At the BJP national council meeting held four months before the May parliamentary elections, patriarch L K Advani had cautioned his colleagues not to get ‘over confident’ as the party had done and eventually lost the 2004 elections giving the UPA a decade in power.

Narendra Modi might have weaved the caution sounded by his mentor-turned-rival into his electioneering approach. Since his in-your-face high-voltage campaign strategy that yielded historically rich electoral dividends had managed to build a brand that essentially thrived on evenness and discipline. But, Modi’s close aide Amit Shah seemed to have missed the plot after intrinsically executing the gameplan in UP so successfully that it helped him to become BJP president.

The bad show in the three consecutive by-polls held since Shah took over the BJP’s reign gives an impression that the party blinked on Modi’s election winning mantra. The postmortem of saffron party losing 13 out of 23 seats it had held last time in three key states of UP, Rajasthan (both in trying times) and Gujarat, made it clear that party was over confident thinking the Modi factor would deliver again, a move perhaps aided by the published ‘mood of the nation’ surveys that portrayed the NDA enjoying an extended honeymoon.

The other factors that equally contributed were: squabbling among local leaders, differences among candidates and MLAs who vacated seats to become MPs, in some cases wrong choices of candidates and low voting percentage in comparison to recently held general elections.

In case of UP alone, overpowering of Modi’s development agenda with communal politics, hoping that it would deliver again as it did for them in western UP during the Lok Sabha polls, seems to have not gone down well with the state which saw the party winning only three out of eleven seats in a contest where BSP opted out and Congress had paled. The BJP had won ten and its ally Apna Dal one in 2012 when they were sailing against the strong wind that brought Akhilesh Yadav to power. Apna Dal, now an NDA partner, lost the elections from Rohaniya which falls under the Varanasi parliamentary seat of prime minister Narendra Modi.

Allahabad-based G B Pant Social Science Institute Professor Badri Narayan told Deccan Herald that the party’s over confidence, backed by RSS reluctance to step out enthusiastically, wrong strategy to have three campaigners – Union minister Kalraj Mishra, MP Yogi Adityanath and state unit chief Laxmi Kant Bajpai -- and internal sabotage can broadly be attributed to party’s debacle.

The humiliating loss in Charkhari is being cited as a perfect example for a case study to introspect what went wrong. Dalit sub-caste Lodh strong leader Uma Bharati had left the seat to represent Jhansi in parliament before becoming a minister in the Modi government. The BJP fielded Geeta Singh came poor third, trounced badly by Samajwadi candidate Kaptan Singh. Party sources said that Singh voiced her differences with Bharti who she blamed for never returning to Charkhari creating local anti-incumbency for her. Other than that choice of candidates also appears to have not fitted into the caste matrix given the fact that Lodhs who are in sizeable numbers in that pocket seemed to have voted for winning SP candidate like other Dalits shifting away from the BJP contrary to position taken during the Lok Sabha polls.

Transfer of Dalit votes

Apart from that, social historian Badri Narayan believes that “an undeclared alliance among the people” leading to transfer of Dalit vote base to the SP has worked against the BJP. Explaining it, the academician stated that the UP voting behaviour was like what happened in the Bihar bypolls – coming together of Mandal voters without the understanding between arch rival parties JDU and RJD. The grand partnership between JDU-RJD-Congress squared six of the ten segments with remaining going to the BJP. The voters also rejected the resurgence of polarising politics propagated by seer-cum-Gorakhpur Yogi Adityanath, the star campaigner.

The script for the BJP was no different in Rajasthan where the setting was perfect for a repeat performance. The BJP had won all the 25 seats in the Lok Sabha elections and months prior to that Vasundhra Raje had returned to occupy the chair of the chief minister on a massive mandate, winning 163 of 200 Assembly seats.

Political analysts are of the view that internal sabotage, CM Raje not delivering in her nine-months stint on a single poll promise and wrong selection of candidates are some of the major reasons for the fiasco. The squandering of Surajgarh seat contested by CM’s close aide Digambar Singh reflected another chapter of rivalry-cum-wrong choice spoiling chances. The Congress, wiped out three months ago in parliamentary elections managed to get some breather since it cornered three seats as against one for the BJP.

The Congress scooping three of the nine seats in Gujarat was a bad review on the leadership quality of new chief minister, Anandiben Patel, having replaced Modi who ruled the state for 12 years before becoming the PM.

In elections devoid of wave which bypolls mostly are, local issues become more prominent inviting better micro-management. Modi’s strong persona could tide over internal differences among the party-men and poor candidate selection to, these factors resurfaced this time damaging the BJP’s prospects.

The low voting percentage in the bypolls in comparison to Lok Sabha elections due to the absence of a dominating and luring factor indicated that the new voters – falling in the age group of 18 to 23 – did not come out to vote this time contrary to crowding of the pooling booths influenced by Modi’s appeal.

Whether the BJP will learn from these mistakes to put up a better show in October 15 Assembly elections to Maharashtra and Haryana remains to be seen.